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Are Objectivists Mutants

Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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Although the linked article discusses the topic of critical thinking from the viewpoint of science based medicine vs. 'complementary and alternative medicine, I find a great deal of similarity to my thoughts concerning being an Objectivist in life as well as a member of this site, lately. From childhood till now as an senior, I've often thought that there was just something different going on in my mind than that in others' minds. I've found a very few in my life that think much like I do, but they are rare.

From the Article: All emphasis added.
"There is a huge disconnect between what science-based medicine calls evidence and what alternative medicine and the general public call evidence. They are using the same word, but speaking a different language, making communication next to impossible."

"“Alternative medicine,” along with “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) and “integrative medicine,” is not a meaningful scientific term, but a marketing term created to lend respectability to things that we used to call by less respectable names like quackery, folk medicine, and fringe medicine." (Add Like Politics, Conservatism, Progressivism, Religion, etc. etc.)

"Today we have more sources of information, but our minds still work the old way. We prefer stories to studies, anecdotes to analyses. We see patterns where none exist. We jump to false conclusions based on insufficient evidence. Emotions trump facts. If your neighbor had a bad experience with a Toyota, you’re likely to remember his story and not buy a Toyota even if Consumer Reports says it’s the most reliable brand. That isn’t logical, but humans are not Vulcans. When we act illogically, we’re just doing what evolution has equipped us to do. It takes a lot of education and discipline to overcome our natural tendencies, and not everyone can do it."

"Ray Hyman is a psychologist and one of the founders of modern skepticism. When I asked him why some people become skeptics and others don’t, he said he thinks skeptics are mutants: something has evolved in our brains to facilitate critical thinking."

So, are we mutants? If we are, will we succeed into the future and become a successful branch of humanity? Or will we continue helping our non-mutated cousins not face extinction, even if inadvertently?


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  • Posted by dukem 8 years, 11 months ago
    As a trained scientist and engineer, and of a certain age (not a millennial), I am constantly being taunted and ridiculed - mostly, but not always, humorously - as "thinking like an engineer," presumably meaning evidence and logic based rather than emotions. I have had much experience with the "emotion is better than fact" concept in my heady and mis-spent California days, and of course we can all see where that got us, and is continuing to become more and more prominent.
    For me, living in Oregon now, it is almost as if I have landed on a different planet (compared to flyover country), and I grow increasingly aware of two very different species of people out there. I hate to say "us vs. them" but that's how it seems. And "they" are winning.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    I definitely feel like a mutant. I dont fit in pretty much anywhere, except perhaps here. All I need now is superpowers.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 11 months ago
    Let me remind everyone of Nathaniel Branden's experiences with hypnosis, in the face of Rand's dismissal of it as a fraud.

    Those who call themselves Objectivists, ought not trust what the article calls "science-based medicine" purely on the basis of the respectability of its sources. To do so is to fall into the logical fallacies Rand herself illustrated to so roundly condemn: argumentum ab auctoritate (or ab auctoritatibus), and argumentum a populo. I put it to this body that many of the vaunted "studies" are fraudulent, and that motives for fraud abound in the "scientific world." The motives go beyond one person and often reach into company board rooms. I can also cite my own experience in questioning authority and, by so doing, improving my own health.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago
    I will readily admit an overreliance on anecdotal evidence. However, the vast majority of that was acquired under conditions where I know the underlying premises and biases.

    On the other hand, I have a lower confidence in "studies" because both one of my old bosses and I have each had about 50% success in reproducing experiments that we have read in the scientific literature. I have become more skeptical via experience, rather than being skeptical by default.

    With regard to anecdotal evidence regarding alternative medicines, I am skeptical, but not immediately dismissing. I am quite sure that most people in Galt's Gulch Online are more immediately dismissive of partial, but inconclusive, evidence than I am.

    Most of today's pharmaceuticals were originally plant extracts, and some still are, for example. Your point regarding the nature of evidence, and how to act on it, is a good one.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, mutant is a good word. I like that the author says that when we research on the internet or read the results of a "study" we should approach it with skepticism to determine first if the study is valid, and also if the "results" are facts or speculation. It drives me crazy when a patient comes in thinking they are informed about a subject because they have looked on the internet, then especially when they assume that I don't know what I am talking about. Arggh!
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good answers to your son, coaldigger! We must be wired different, cause you told all 3 sons the same thing, and they didn't all get it the same
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 11 months ago
    Due to my electrical engineering beginnings, I refer to people as being "wired" differently all the time. That or being a mutant is the only explanation. One of my sons asked me once "Don't you just BELIEVE anything." I told him that I believed only the conclusions that I arrived at by rational analysis. He then asked the question that he must have been taught in school "Who are you to determine what is believable and what is not?" My answer was that I am my mind and it is the only instrument I have to determine anything so I have to rely on it. I can't feel about something, I have to think. I don't think he ever got it. My oldest son lives it, the second son follows but the believer continues to be influenced by anything that sounds right.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mama, yes it's one of the better worded explanations and examples of the difficulties in communication we all face. It is very much like we're speaking two different languages with words that sound alike, but with entirely different meanings. But I loved the 'critical thinking' and 'mutant' ideas.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago
    Excellent article. She expresses very well what I've been trying to say. Thanks.
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