Yes, but that has nothing to do with the Patriot Act or NSA.

Only the military should have secrets and these should be very restrictive (limited). In peacetime secrets should mainly limited to weapon systems and operational secrets should have a short lifetime. The real enemy that the US faces is not external, it is internal.

The cold war was a valid reason for a large standing military. But large militaries are always a threat to freedom and the US military has become a huge threat to our freedom.

The NSA should be eliminated and its few legitimate functions absorbed by the military. The CIA should be eliminated and its few legitimate functions absorbed by the military. The FBI should be eliminated. If the states feel there is a need for something like the FBI, they could create one by agreement and the federal government should/would have no part of how it is operated.

Dale, do you think that secrecy is appropriate for the
design and fabrication information for nuclear weapons? -- j
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There is the threshold of "afford" when the cost of submission is higher than the cost of resistance. Timeless.

I personally know a rancher or two that have either already been under home based ankle cuffs or are currently being held without bail until next February.

Doubly interesting, in that when would there ever be an investigation - by anyone - into all the money trails of this guy? I am probably ignorant of what has been done out there, but interestingly, we haven't heard of anything in depth.....from the media. Rather telling.

I appreciate him for his depth of history.

When Buchanan sticks to politics and does not let his religion cross over, he is often astute.

Perhaps Trump will inadvertently bring to public the underlying mores that allow the public to ask for both personal and public censorship as well as the near ignorance of economics and most other knowledge in the USA. E.g., he, perhaps without knowing it, seems to believe that when businesses in other countries sell US citizens things, the money payments to the businesses are the property of the government and that the US citizens are dealing directly with the government of that country and does not know that governments get the public money by a form of theft. He seems, like with both the left and right, to believe that the President's job is to run the economy, not to get out of the way and do his main job as commander in chief and see that reasonable laws are enforced. He seems to be like Obama believing that laws should be by the President as directives and not by congress and will like, like most recent congresses and Presidents, having rule by bureaus.

Interesting that it is a suit brought forth by the ACLU and affiliates. You'd think the media would be all over it. They probably were and then went eeewww, squelch this one.

I too, saw that Pat Buchanan article. He always has such good historical context.

http://freedomsback.com/pat-buchanan/...

Trump has already (along with Sanders) exposed the corruption in the democratic and republican parties. He has made political incorrectness OK with his Tweets. He will hire very good advisors and employees who will take the place of the trash thats in the government now. As to civil war, its coming anyway. Watch JERICHO on netflix. good movie on the subject

no alternative. I seriously doubt Trump is going to expose anything, but he will take us several steps closer to civil war or anarchy or both.

If we are ever going to get people to see how statism really works, it needs to be exposed. 4 years of Trump doing that without the restraint of political correctness just cant be bad for 4 years.

Whats the alternative? Bought and paid for Hillary?

What???

Frying pan into the fire

I know Trump will try to shake up the corrupt establishment, and I hope with the help of the voters he will succeed. He has my vote for sure. Hildebeast is the poster child for the establishment on the democratic side, and Jeb Bush was the poster child for the establishment on the republican side (and we can see how the voters loved him !!!). Sanders gave Hillary a run for her money, basically on the anti-establishment platform.

I can buy this explanation. The establishment demonstrates it is in great fear of losing power. Everything they have done comes out of the “Dictator’s Handbook” and they must be surprised somebody is successfully challenging their position. In an article today, Pat Buchanan said: “It was after that Cleveland Convention that Nixon ruefully told me, ‘Buchanan, whenever you hear of a group forming up to stop X, be sure to put your money on X.’” I hope this is correct because, for all his faults, I see nobody in sight to shake up the establishment other than Trump.

they are too busy bashing Trump for every single thing he has ever done or not done. The establsihment circles its wagons on all fronts, and it doesnt want people to know that the court found against them

The purpose of the NSA's operations is to protect the government FROM the citizens here, not to protect US from foreign invaders. To accomplish this goal they need to know everything about every person in the USA and have that immediately available to government people. Our government has lost my trust. I dont believe anything they say anymore.

I wonder if any of the major media will report this very important story. Most likely not, or if they do it will be on page 32 or a 10 second squib.

Old dino was taught to believe in the same America as you.
I do not trust and have no faith in those who weasel run whatever poisoned thing America has become now.
Who is John Galt?

good question

Plenty of conservatives have been supporting the NSA also. Much more likely is that the NSA will just ignore the court(s) because it will be almost impossible to verify