Freedom includes the occasional feeling of discomfort about something. So?

Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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I saw a little article zip by with the title of "Chipotle: Don't bring your guns into our stores". I really wanted to say something intelligent about it, and all I could think of was well, if you decide to call your organization "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America", you might get "action" of a kind you didn't necessarily expect.
In fact, the existence and probable actions of an organization with such a name is probably part of what led to people carrying guns in to lunch. So I guess the Moms succeeded?
hmmm.


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  • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Haha what ever floats your boat I guess. Sorry if I came off as curt, had a rough night.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Imagine a tavern not allowing patrons to carry their muskets inside, and then subsequently there's an indian attack on their village for which they are now all disarmed.

    Imagine a Luby's restaurant not allowing patrons to carry their pistols inside, and then subsequently a madman decides to shoot the joint up...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDHoqQL...

    You're suggesting that your right to property supersedes my right to self-defense. I disagree.
    And so does the Constitution.
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  • Posted by seascape 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suppose you are right but some people consider their guns as their partner. Romantic partner, maybe! Kinda a reach on my part.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely they have the right to refuse you entrance for no reason at all. They just can't keep you from carrying your weapon if they allow you onto the property.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's a Chipotle restaurant near where I live. I can only guess what the reaction would be if I slung on my hunting rifle and walked through the door, especially since I live in The Peoples Republik of New York where the abridgment of 2nd amendment rights is an official State sport. I trust it will not go well for me. :-)
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  • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Did you just compare a gun to a romantic partner?

    You realize they aren't depriving you of your second amendment, they're depriving you of delicious burritos right?

    Obviously there is a double standard here, basically the government is the judge on who is allowed to discriminate and who isn't, but what you just said is a very poor argument.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hmmm. I'm guessing that the argument would be that those are inherent attributes and carrying a firearm isn't. BUT, the right to carry a firearm is EXPLICITELY spelled out as a protected right (while the others aren't).

    I'd like to see a test case based on this rationale. Who's game?
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting dilemma here. I agree with the notion that a restaurant is a private business who's owners can choose what happens within it's walls as you say. However, hasn't the civil rights movement and gay lobby, et al, already shown through the courts that restaurants and other businesses open to the public really are not private and cannot interfere with civil rights? Given that, doesn't the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution clearly state one of our civil rights that can not be denied by any business? So, are Chipotle's restaurants, or any restaurant, public or private? Let me venture a guess at a PC answer: They are public when it comes to race, gender, sexual orientation, but are private when it come to the right to keep and bear arms.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are missing the most important ingredient to understanding here. The second amendment is about private citizens, it is not a prohibition or restriction on them.

    The constitution, and by incorporation the amendments, are restrictions on the authority and scope of government, not you and I. Just as I am free to not publish your writings, and you likewise, we are free to decide the conditions upon which predicate access to, or use of, our respective properties.
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  • Posted by zwdavis4 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're not quite correct here. People have a right to property and a right to refuse you entrance to that property for no reason at all. They are not infringing on your right to bear arms they are exercising their right to keep you off their property. If your statement was true we would have to allow prisoners to have weapons while in prison.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I strongly and fervently disagree!

    ""Innocent until proven guilty is how justice is universally upheld. "

    Justice is NEVER upheld by "Innocent until proven guilty".

    It is only upheld by "Innocent UNLESS proven guilty".

    A Very, vitally different way of putting it.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not what the 2nd Amendment says.

    If they will permit you on their property without a weapon, then they must permit you on their property with a weapon.

    The 2nd Amendment is very clear, "...the right of the People to keep and bear arms *shall not be infringed*". Unlike the 1st Amendment, it does not specify who's doing the infringing.

    7/11 can't keep you from carrying... if they would let you in w/o the weapon.

    Yes, this sounds extreme. Blame the Founding Fathers. Amend the Constitution if you don't like what it says. Otherwise...

    "Now these are the Laws of the Jungle, and many and mighty are they;
    But the head and the hoof of the Law and the haunch and the hump is -- Obey!"
    - Rudyard Kipling, "The Law of the Jungle"

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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 11 months ago
    I've no idea of the story behind the story. That said, Chipotle's restaurants are private property. If the owner(s) do not want guns on their property, they have that right. Those of us who are troubled by this have the right to take our business elsewhere.
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  • Posted by squareone 10 years, 11 months ago
    Some years ago, in Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, over twenty people were murdered inside the restaurant by a madman who drove his pickup into the restaurant and opened fire. Since at the time in Texas it was a felony to carry a gun into a restaurant, a young woman watched as both her parents were killed while her gun remained idle in her car outside the restaurant.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 11 months ago
    in Grand Junction Colorado the local Home Depot said people with carry permits could not bring guns into their store, I do not know if it lasted 1 or 2 days but then they shut up.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 11 months ago
    MADD called awhile ago looking for my monetary support. I not only turned them down but also "dressed them down" telling the caller that their philosophical bent was contributing to the downfall of this country.
    I went on to explain:
    "Innocent until proven guilty is how justice is universally upheld. Whenever non-objective law becomes commonplace, we have lost all perspective of justice."
    They removed my name from their call list.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And now this post has been voted down too? Okay, what gives? Who's doing this?
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dunno. Maybe someone just had a vendetta against me. But it's been voted back up now, so whatever.
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