Democracies end when they are too democratic.

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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This is a brilliant article, but all this talk of "democracy" makes me sick to my stomach; mob rule, lack of any sort of rational moral base and lets not forget...anything goes!

I think Rand Herself, was no fan - any comments on that?

Here is a great excerpt:

In Eric Hoffer’s classic 1951 tract, The True Believer, he sketches the dynamics of a genuine mass movement. He was thinking of the upheavals in Europe in the first half of the century, but the book remains sobering, especially now. Hoffer’s core insight was to locate the source of all truly mass movements in a collective sense of acute frustration. Not despair, or revolt, or resignation — but frustration simmering with rage. Mass movements, he notes (as did Tocqueville centuries before him), rarely arise when oppression or misery is at its worst (say, 2009); they tend to appear when the worst is behind us but the future seems not so much better (say, 2016). It is when a recovery finally gathers speed and some improvement is tangible but not yet widespread that the anger begins to rise. After the suffering of recession or unemployment, and despite hard work with stagnant or dwindling pay, the future stretches ahead with relief just out of reach. When those who helped create the last recession face no consequences but renewed fabulous wealth, the anger reaches a crescendo.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That depends upon the will of the people and in my state...there is no will and most should be on depends...
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 11 months ago
    Everyone knows the story about the guy that brought a knife to a gunfight. Trump goes the other direction, he brings bazookas, flame throwers, and hand grenades with a nuclear bomb in his back pocket just in case. The problem is that the people are so frustrated with corruption in government that heavy weapons seem appropriate. Both Trump and Sanders have gained attention by claiming that the system is rigged and while their solutions come from polar opposite directions there contentions have great appeal. Each wants to trash the status quo and replace it with something that neither can define. Democracy has been defined as two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. That is one of the reasons we have a republic. But as Ben Franklin said "We have given you a republic... if you can keep it." The founders hoped the system would last 100 years before it failed. We are now past 200 years but winter is finally coming.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    I'm an avid reader. I have literally read hundreds, maybe even thousands of books and participated in numerous discussions In all of that, I fail to discern a single specific cause for discontent in the form of economic or political change. The one thing that appears in most cases, though not always the first and only cause, is the power grab. Because Trump is a "boss" and used to being a boss he might attempt to rule over congress which is the part of the 3 way government most able to limit him. Immediately the words "dictator"and "totalitarian" start popping up. It has already happened with our wimpy congress allowing Obama to get away with most of his agenda, even though the Republicans hold both houses. Remember the word "prejudice?" Pre-judging and predicting disaster may make good copy for Bill Maher but as for me, I will once again quote Grandpa Sherman: "Ve shall see, vat ve shall see."
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 8 years, 11 months ago
    A convention of states can, in theory, fix a lot of our problems with the central government. But, of course, state legislators are politicians, too, and are likely to muck it up. Worth a try, though, given the Federal power-grab that gets worse and worse, especially since the Obama-Roberts regime took over.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 11 months ago
    The US is not and never was designed to be a democracy, it was designed as a constitutional republic.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Democracy ends when a free and open election is held to select delegates to a government of temporary employees AND they can be recalled. At that point in any republic there is no need until the next selection or recall.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see...I was more inamered by the history of too much unaccountable freedom...didn't pay much mind to the political assessment you picked up on.

    I wouldn't throw out the value in his historical view point though...that's what attracted me.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was referring to the penultimate paragraph where the author chides the GOP:
    "And if they fail in Indiana or Cleveland, as they likely will, they need, quite simply, to disown their party’s candidate. They should resist any temptation to loyally back the nominee or to sit this election out. They must take the fight to Trump at every opportunity, unite with Democrats and Independents against him, and be prepared to sacrifice one election "
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That denial of the American Republic was the sickness I felt in my stomach.
    I saw no endorsement of hiltery nor bernski.

    The brilliance I was referring to was his historical background and his descriptions of "Unbridled" freedoms that ignore the laws of nature at the micro level and the physical laws intended at the macro level, that ultimately brings down the demon-ocracy...The cosmos works because there is just enough resistance to make things run smoothly...without that resistance, chaos wins the day, with too much resistance it all blows up. Pretty clear our forefathers knew that.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
    Brilliant? No.
    Although I agree with some of the comments about Trump, the conclusion sounds more like a plea for every voter to cast aside principle and vote for Hillary.
    Just more lesser evil rubbish camouflaged with rhetoric, imo.
    In spite of all the complaints about democracy, the author doesn't dare mention that the states united were designed to be a constitutional republic. He doesn't bother to list the changes made to circumvent it, nor the way to repair it. The only "fix" is to band together for Hillary to stop Trump.
    Looter.
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