Generations and Solutions
Paul Krugman and his minions aside, most of us know that the massive federal debt (currently $17.5 TRILLION) is nothing short of inter-generational theft.
So often we complain that our worthless lawmakers are "stealing from our grandchildren."
But is that really true?
Of course, no-one (N O - O N E, nobody AT ALL) is calling for a balanced budget but let's just pretend for a minute.
Let's pretend we could balance the budget tomorrow. Let us pretend we could actually have a budget surplus in this twisted day and age.
And if we're dreaming we might as well dream BIG - let's imagine we could recreate the largest US Federal Budget Surplus in HISTORY ($236 Billion in the year 2000.) and do it every year, year-in year-out, for as long as it takes to pay off that huge debt.
How long would it take Paul Krugman's progeny pay off his Ponzi scheme?
Well, PK is 61 years old. Leaving his real kids out of it, let's just assume his offspring follows the oft-stated average of 20 years per generation. (That's about how long it takes for one baby to grow up and have another.)
OK, Paul's child is 41 and already paying, so is his grandchild at 21. His great-grandchild is only one year old but she'll get her turn when she starts working 15 years later (I started at 16, so have/will many others. Maybe not HER, but....)
Twenty years later (35 years from now), Krugman's great-great-grandchild will pick up the burden - as will, twenty years after that, his great-great-great grandson. In fact, his great-great-great-great-grandchild will dodge the bullet by only a year or so.
But this is a dream world of impossible expectations. What if we made it just a little more realistic - just the tiniest bit.
Assume every other condition remains the same but we can only manage the SECOND highest budget surplus in history - $127.3 billion in 2001.
If we still balance the budget tomorrow and keep it that way - and we pay down over a hundred billion a year, it'll take only... 137 years!
Paul Krugman's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild will write the last check to pay off the legacy of the "worst" generation.
Ten generations (including ourselves) - six of which as yet unborn - to pay off our folly.
And of course this is still living in a fantasy.
The obvious fact is that PK and his ilk have no intention of ever paying off this debt.
And some day, when the financial chicanery falls through,
when the artificially deflated interest on our Treasuries begin to rise from the lowest rates in history,
when the interest payment on all that debt doubles, triples, quadruples...! - the sh!t WILL hit the fan.
And then the pundits will say the obvious solution is to "forgive" this "crippling" debt,
and on that day untold trillions of dollars of invested wealth will disappear.
And our nation will fail.
Make no mistake we are talking financial collapse. Not a recession, not a depression, but the complete collapse of untenable economic "system".
And REAL bad things ALWAYS arise from such times.
We'll still be here. We'll still be Americans. But our Constitution will be "proven" "unworkable" and abandoned. And a strong-man WILL take over - they always do when the world goes to hell.
However, unlike the suppositions I started with, there is no fantasy here. This WILL happen. And it won't take generations.
But, there is an answer. It's not the answer to every problem we face, but it will buy us the time to work on all the rest.
A BALANCED BUDGET AMMENDMENT.
Nothing more - nothing less.
It can be done. It's just a constitutional amendment. We do them all the time (well, figuratively speaking). We just have to change some minds. Well, pretty much everybody's mind really, but still.
What could be more important.
Really.
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"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution. I would be willing to depend on that alone for the reduction of the administration of our government to the genuine principles of its Constitution; I mean an additional article, taking from the federal government the power of borrowing." Thomas Jefferson
---- (SHOW YOUR WORK) ----
($17,514,000,000 / $236,000,000 per year = 74.2 years)
($17,514,000,000 / $127,300,000 per year = 137.58 years)
now he pays
now child pays,
now grandchild pays,
15 years later great-grandchild begins to pay,
35 years later great-great-grandchild
55 years later great-great-great-grandchild
75 years later great-great-great-great-grandchild
95 years later great-great-great-great-great-grandchild
115 years later great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild
135 years later great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild
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So often we complain that our worthless lawmakers are "stealing from our grandchildren."
But is that really true?
Of course, no-one (N O - O N E, nobody AT ALL) is calling for a balanced budget but let's just pretend for a minute.
Let's pretend we could balance the budget tomorrow. Let us pretend we could actually have a budget surplus in this twisted day and age.
And if we're dreaming we might as well dream BIG - let's imagine we could recreate the largest US Federal Budget Surplus in HISTORY ($236 Billion in the year 2000.) and do it every year, year-in year-out, for as long as it takes to pay off that huge debt.
How long would it take Paul Krugman's progeny pay off his Ponzi scheme?
Well, PK is 61 years old. Leaving his real kids out of it, let's just assume his offspring follows the oft-stated average of 20 years per generation. (That's about how long it takes for one baby to grow up and have another.)
OK, Paul's child is 41 and already paying, so is his grandchild at 21. His great-grandchild is only one year old but she'll get her turn when she starts working 15 years later (I started at 16, so have/will many others. Maybe not HER, but....)
Twenty years later (35 years from now), Krugman's great-great-grandchild will pick up the burden - as will, twenty years after that, his great-great-great grandson. In fact, his great-great-great-great-grandchild will dodge the bullet by only a year or so.
But this is a dream world of impossible expectations. What if we made it just a little more realistic - just the tiniest bit.
Assume every other condition remains the same but we can only manage the SECOND highest budget surplus in history - $127.3 billion in 2001.
If we still balance the budget tomorrow and keep it that way - and we pay down over a hundred billion a year, it'll take only... 137 years!
Paul Krugman's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild will write the last check to pay off the legacy of the "worst" generation.
Ten generations (including ourselves) - six of which as yet unborn - to pay off our folly.
And of course this is still living in a fantasy.
The obvious fact is that PK and his ilk have no intention of ever paying off this debt.
And some day, when the financial chicanery falls through,
when the artificially deflated interest on our Treasuries begin to rise from the lowest rates in history,
when the interest payment on all that debt doubles, triples, quadruples...! - the sh!t WILL hit the fan.
And then the pundits will say the obvious solution is to "forgive" this "crippling" debt,
and on that day untold trillions of dollars of invested wealth will disappear.
And our nation will fail.
Make no mistake we are talking financial collapse. Not a recession, not a depression, but the complete collapse of untenable economic "system".
And REAL bad things ALWAYS arise from such times.
We'll still be here. We'll still be Americans. But our Constitution will be "proven" "unworkable" and abandoned. And a strong-man WILL take over - they always do when the world goes to hell.
However, unlike the suppositions I started with, there is no fantasy here. This WILL happen. And it won't take generations.
But, there is an answer. It's not the answer to every problem we face, but it will buy us the time to work on all the rest.
A BALANCED BUDGET AMMENDMENT.
Nothing more - nothing less.
It can be done. It's just a constitutional amendment. We do them all the time (well, figuratively speaking). We just have to change some minds. Well, pretty much everybody's mind really, but still.
What could be more important.
Really.
-----------------
"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution. I would be willing to depend on that alone for the reduction of the administration of our government to the genuine principles of its Constitution; I mean an additional article, taking from the federal government the power of borrowing." Thomas Jefferson
---- (SHOW YOUR WORK) ----
($17,514,000,000 / $236,000,000 per year = 74.2 years)
($17,514,000,000 / $127,300,000 per year = 137.58 years)
now he pays
now child pays,
now grandchild pays,
15 years later great-grandchild begins to pay,
35 years later great-great-grandchild
55 years later great-great-great-grandchild
75 years later great-great-great-great-grandchild
95 years later great-great-great-great-great-grandchild
115 years later great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild
135 years later great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild
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And you can forget about EVER paying off the debt if interest rates rise AND the lower payoff is used.
What should not be forgotten is that these are some seriously scary numbers. The debt service payments alone are enough to fund a significant chunk of the military and enough to buy a couple of small countries!
Yeah, I gotcha. O hale yes, I''m all for that.
Like I said before (somewhere in all these branches) the Balanced Budget Amendment would be our construction - we'll have to be sure to write it right
The problem with a balanced budget is that you can achieve that by taxing the people more.
I think that if a balanced budget amendment were enacted it would have to include some cap on taxing as a percent of overall GDP.
By that you infer that they can actually decrease their debt by punishing the most productive even more.
I can't believe what I'm hearing.
If it was a terrible idea when the Fed did it, why is it suddenly a good idea now.
I'm sorry about higher taxes, but at least that will create a backlash - AND NO FURTHER HARM IS TAKING PLACE.
Yes the drain on production is lamentable, but nothing compared to eviscerating our economic system.
That's why you pass a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Staunch the Bleeding!
Say it ain't so, CJ!
Runaway inflation is the hallmark - the most defining feature - of an economic collapse.
No - just Balance the Budget - forever. The rest will take care of itself.
I haven't done the math myself but understand that, if you include unfunded mandates, each working person owes $1.4M.
Good luck with that, America. It's O-f'ing-ver baby...
Sorry for the subject matter but I always appreciate a compliment!
I believe PK is a real life Elsworth Toohey. Perhaps not intentionally seeking to destroy, but fully aware of his own manipulations
But I don't welcome the inevitable collapse. As I've said above - I don't think our Constitution will survive it.
By the way, there's no horror film, that is half as scary as the tale of Krugman's progeny. Godzilla by comparison is a puppy's squeaky-toy.
I do not believe the Paul Krugmans of the world have any integrity. They care not for personal responsibility, or what they leave behind... believing they will not be around when the spit hits the fan. I do not understand how this boat stays afloat. One day (and I hope Krugman is alive to see it) people will need a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread like in the Weimar Republic. I hope Krugman is still alive for two reasons: one is so we can defrock the fraud and the other is because the longer it goes on the greater the pain for us and our posterity. Perhaps after the collapse or by some other unforeseen awakening (twist of fate/fortune) we can once and for all stop this Keynesian madness and see the Krugmans to deserved derision and finally relegate this absurd economic doctrine to the scrapheap of bad ideas. I do not wish to suffer economic hardship or depression any more than anyone else, but I feel a moral duty to pull my own weight. I could suffer no greater disappointment than to have Krugman outlive me before seeing this. Where are my vitamins? :)
Regards,
O.A.
Assuming the "dollar" is worth saving, I would favor a "pay as you go" system to replace our debt-based money system. Redeem government bonds as they mature with unbacked and non-interest-bearing paper money or its electronic equivalent, and likewise finance any federal deficit with non-interest-bearing paper money. (A small amount of such money already exists in the form of U.S. notes.)
The problem of inflation would still remain, but at least the problem of an overwhelming national debt would go away.
But at least a Balanced Budget Amendment can begin to attack the money supply and force them to screw us over within our means!
Like I said - it won't solve every problem but it will by us time to work on the rest.
Sorry I misunderstood, H.
we have a number of precedents, now, of the feds ignoring the constitution and its bill of rights, plus its amendments -- like, for example, the 10th when it comes to States', and "we the people" rights.
would we be wise to expect future feds to behave differently? -- j
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