CircuitGuy says:
' most economic activity is tied to burning things '
well no,
the major part of human economic activity is growing things.

" scare people into allowing more governmental control".
The biggest problem is not from the scammers and cronyists who put out the scares, it is from the do-gooder class whose misplaced altruism leads them to believe that stuff.

You would find it surprising, but have no evidence, so you proceed based on your own bias without confirmation or investigation into the issue? [cringe]

Libertarians are supposed to be held to a higher standard. My major problem with Johnson is NOT his intellectual consistency at all, its that he CANNOT win in November mostly because of his persona. He just wont get the votes. If I thought he stood a chance, I would vote for him in November. He is going to get zero electoral college votes because the system is rigged to elect a democrat OR republican. THAT part of the system needs to change first to give third party candidates a chance.

Look what it took to get Trump this far, who is essentially a third party candidate (the repubs hate him and he just hijacked the party out from under their noses with HIS persona and anti establishment stance).

Given we will get Hillary or Trump, I choose Trump. We are all probably going to get Hillary with her control over the party, contributors, and money. Her face is everywhere and the whole campaign now is "keep the status quo" or "fear the unknown with Trump". Its sickening and a real distortion, given she will do tremendously more damage to the country than Trump ever would.

I hope in the quiet of the voting booth, the voters are anti-establishment and finish off the evil witch Hillary once and for all.

So without any supporting data you arbitrarily conclude that governments must crush liberty, destroy industry, and fraud to loot even more from every productive individual.
You have a proven record of supporting socialist politicians whose actions only serve to incrrease their personal power and wealth at the expense of every productive individual.
Take you irrational socialist rubbish and get out of the Gulch. You do not qualify to stay. Every time you post you prove your ideological ignorance.

Dr, I agree, from the standpoint of a objective free market enthusiast. Based on his "performance" thisfar, I think Weld is a statist snake. His actions are inconsistent with the impression he gave to voters at the Libertarian convention (although weasel-Weld actually made no real promises to follow libertarian principles.) That puts him in a class with Trump and the Clintons.
imo, Johnson chose him to only to bolster the impression of being a mainstream ticket for voters. Its a compromise that I wouldn't have made either.

Strange how you give that repulsive jackassTrump infinite latitude to weasel speak when he has a proven record of looting and bankruptcy and using government to steal property from the legal owners to enrich himself, but you hold the Libertarians to a much higher standard.
YOU have a bigger problem with inconsistency than Johnson does.
I disagree with some of Johnson's statements, too, term, but he knows from experience that the strict Libertarian approach does not win elections and he can't do a damned thing to return government to constitutional limits if he gets the 1% of voters who understand and agree with the libertarian free market platform.

I would find it surprising if the world supporting 7.4 billion people wanting an affluent lifestyle didn't have some broad effect on the planet. So global warming and the current holocene mass extinction do not surprise me at all. Since most economic activity is tied to burning things, it's not surprising that people will go through extreme mental gymnastics to understate the problem.

It's a large scale problem, so it lends itself to people who never let "a serious crisis go waste." https://youtu.be/1yeA_kHHLow

People who try to exploit the problem are indirectly making the problem worse. I read part of Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything, and it reads like an unintentional parody of exactly what you say: "scare people into allowing more governmental control". She almost comes out and says just that.

The Rahm Emanuel's and Naomi Klein's of the world do not change the fact that this is one of the biggest problems the human race faces.

Okay, but I think what I was getting at is that global warming is a hoax. The data has been fabricated to scare people into allowing more governmental control. It isn't a real issue in the first place.

definitely. the CNN dude didnt even go after them. They did it themselves

"You'd paint [Global Warming as] a bigger problem than the disintegration of fundamental rights in the Constitution?"
In my comment, I'm saying they're both very important, but the Constitution, in particular "gov't scope creep" and "exec power creep", are more important.

The history of the Earth for the last million years shows that it is not global warming that is the danger but the periodic glaciations (the next is a little late) where atmospheric CO2 drops sometimes to a dangerous low of 150 parts per million where photosynthesis no longer is able to function. Those who run green houses know that the best CO2 level is around 1000 parts per million which is 2 and a half times the concentration at present. It all depends on whether you want future populations to eat or not. The cold temperatures are much more difficult to live with than a bit more rise in global average temperatures, what ever that is since average temperature is not a causative agent. Only actual physical things like the weather and its air can cause an effect.
For those who believe that Trump's wall is a good idea, consider that the size of the cell does not mean that you are in a prison.

Sort of like blacks with Obama. 50 years of progress shot to hell.

If I recall right, Johnson did not want Weld but the convention chose him.

Honestly, few of the good points about libertarianism came out. Too bad. It was a good chance to really talk about individual rights and freedom and pick up on Trumps support for anti-establishment. Instead, they went after Trump and liked Hillary. Crazy

So...Weld likes Mrs. Clinkton over the Trumpeter.
Goodbye Libertarian Party as far as I'm concerned. The rest was a typical political yawner. There are at least a dozen persons in this forum who could do better than Johnson and Weld. It looks to me that This Libertarian Party, with These candidates are barely a step above the party of that old despot, Abie Lincohen. (Our first Jewish president?)

i feel the same way...got the same feeling watching them that you did...

Lets hope that libertarianism isnt killed off by these bimbos debating Trump and Hillary on TV. They would ruin any chance for many years that libertarian candidates would get anywhere.

Pothead Johnson who gives up pot just to look better to voters, yet wants to legalize it but not other drugs is TOTALLY intellectually inconsistent. Weld is an establishment hack, period.

Why they commented on either candidate kind of baffles me. They should have said nothing at all, OR came down on both of the other candidates as anti-libertarian. These bimbos will go nowhere.

I agree. It was very disappointing to say the least. If these bimbos are the spokesperson for individual liberty, we should hope they DONT get 15% popularity and be included in the televised debates.

The libertarians are dead in the water this election after that terrible town hall appearance. It was pretty disgusting actually. Essentially endorsing Hillary was something that makes no sense. She IS the posterchild for the liberal establishment, is a very challenged politician, and is against pretty much ALL the assumed positions of the libertarians (maybe the libertarians are not so free market oriented after all?) Their drug policy answers were totally conflicted and stupid. Particularly when Johnson says he used to smoke pot, but stopped a few months ago so he "would have a clear head" to run for president !!!! (translation- he thought it would be politically incorrect to be a pot head and run for president at the same time- intellectually challenged at best).
The VP pick appears to be an idiot. Neither of them would EVER be able to debate Hillary OR Trump in a 3 way TV debate. Too bad actually. This WAS a good chance for libertarian ideas to be floated in national media.

i think short positions will cover by end of day and take profits rather take decay over the weekend and risk a gap up on monday...

trading the wild market this morning...think this is a buying opportunity...scared money will flow to u.s. away from EU...

work of fiction

so sad...i am writing a book for the 2020 campaign...new party...Freedom Party...