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The British are leaving the British are leaving!

Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 10 months ago to The Gulch: General
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The vote heard around the world. Kudos to the British people for getting this right. A lot of establishment forces lined up against them. Curious to see what happens next...


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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    With the ass I mean donkey kissing RHINO's it looks like there is no limit to his destruction. At least no checks.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yea...it's not likely he'd just give up, give in or exclaim: "Uncle" like Cameron did. (gota give that man credit)
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi Carl. "Establishment" types everywhere are going to feel threatened by this. Obama is an irrelevant lame duck which makes him very dangerous in my opinion. No telling what he will try to get away with in his remaining months as POTUS.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just read that comment earlier today and wondered what the hell is he talking about. Usual condescending drivel.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The labeling that Suzanne43 refers to and the labeling by Biden of racism , permits the sheep to
    Not explore the real problem. The real problem is that people have opinions based on facts and the reality of behavior that is threatening to them.
    Want to fix racism fix the bad behavior.
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  • Posted by Blanco 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A remarkably perspicacious insight by that scholar into the Constitution - bravo!
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting chart. I would expect that Germany's percentage will go up in part because of all the havoc the Muslims have wreaked on the German people...rapes being a big problem.
    Kudos on your "Commander-of-Grief."
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent. I heard that VP Biden accused the BREXIT supporters of racism. The turnout was high and it just seems foolish to even try and accuse that many people of being racist.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 8 years, 10 months ago
    Congratulations Brits for taking your country back. Now you'll be able to proudly put "Great" back in the Great Britain name. Not surprisingly, Obama already threw you under the bus when he said you'll go to the back of the que when it comes to trading with the UK.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 10 months ago
    The Brits have caused a major upheaval in the world's financial markets by voting to abandon the EU. Everyone has a theory of where to place the blame and how to foresee the ultimate outcome. Obama tried to tell the English how to vote (a really dumb move), alien immigration and crossing unprotected borders, onerous regulations coming out of Brussels, Heavy taxation with little or no return, and just a general discomfort regarding the loss of sovereignty have all been blamed. While each of these is a mitigating factor I think I have identified the last straw that did permanent damage to the camel. When the bureaucrats in Brussels outlawed the Brits favorite electric tea pots and toasters they signed the death warrant for EU participation. Anyone that knows anything about the British knows how seriously they take tea. It has been both a national symbol and a vital part of British culture since long before the American revolution. Anyone that threatens their tea does so at their own peril. The British are a resilient people but even they have a breaking point and compromising their Earl Gray is clearly a step too far. That is something up with which they shall not put.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, the 'remain' faction has already attempted to have the whole vote thrown out on there wasn't enough voters (they claim that less than 75% of eligible voters voted and for it to be legitimate that percent or more was needed). They have also petitioned their government to just ignore it as it really wasn't a binding vote to actually force the country to leave. So I guess if you lose, just keep trying to get a vote until you get your wanted results (that's where democracy get you).

    As to Cameron resigning, he f'd up. He was trying to use the referendum to isolate a rogue faction in the government and disenfranchise them. He knew they would push for the 'leave' option and thinking that there was a huge constituency against leaving the EU he could discredit them and secure his power base. Unfortunately, the referendum passed. In the UK parliament, when a minority party is in control they need to maintain confidence in their rule or parliament could desolve and a new general election has to be held to reform the parliament. (Since 2011 they have 14 days to reform a coalition to prevent this). So if Cameron remained, a vote of no confidence could be called and trigger a new general election which the 2011 law was enacted to try to make the general election more or less an every 5 year thing instead of a random could happen anytime event.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    After what happened over the New Year Holiday I expected Merkel to change her position. Some lip service was given to being more careful but little has changed. Obamas stance on this is a big reason for the support Trump has.
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  • Posted by Exitstageright 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Subject: The National Post this morning

    Rex Murphy: Results of the Brexit referendum is a rebuke to Western elites
    It’s an old concept I grant you, but nonetheless worth restating. If you want to know what people really think and feel about an issue, have them vote on it, have a referendum. It’s a principle we might want to hang on to in Canada, if it comes to changing how we vote. But for now the most firm illustration of its wisdom is the just-known results of the Brexit referendum.



    The often-ignored, sometimes quite rudely deplored British people have spoken and, to the horror of enlightened opinion, respectable party leaders, the ever-guiding liberal intelligentsia, have decided they don’t want “in” the European Union. The vote comes as a mighty shock to broad-minded continentalists and supranationalists everywhere, but particularly the high elites of British politics. The Guardian’s readership will need special help — grief counsellors are already overwhelmed.



    The EU vote is the most dramatic illustration to date of how the “guiding elites” of many Western countries have lost the fealty and trust of their populations. Of the gap between ordinary citizens, facing the challenges of daily life, and the swaddled, well-off and pious tribes of those who govern them, and increasingly govern them with a mixture of moralistic superiority and witless condescension.



    ut a decade ago, “Euroskeptics” were a slender group, derided by their betters as xenophobes and bigots, a splinter faction of regressive nationalists and illiberal tribalists. That, at least, was the approved version from on high. And from those smug heights, they dismissed with icy contempt the concerns of ordinary people that the “EU project” was draining their national identity, dissolving centuries-old democratic systems, and forcing their submission to an alien, unelected and unaccountable Brussels super-government.



    Above all, they dismissed concerns about changing the nature of their country by the new rules on immigration, and the abolition of all borders between the ancient states of Europe.

    The Europe-firsters of the British establishment — journalistic, academic and political — were essentially taking the hoary line of Gertrude Stein about Oakland — “There is no there, there” — and telling the broad mass of one of the oldest, most successful nation-states the world has ever seen, that such was Great Britain.

    Events in Libya, and Syria, and the mass migration from the Middle East flowing from the disasters of those and other countries, continued global Islamic terror, the gruesome attacks on London’s streets, and in Paris and Brussels, too, accelerated and intensified the concern and alarm of those who saw their country drifting away from them, losing its coherence, shedding its core identity.



    There are lessons here for the U.S., particularly now with the emergence of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders in the presidential campaign. Barack Obama shocked a great slice of the American public with his executive order (since suspended by the Supreme Court) — a pure fiat from the Oval Office — to exempt five million illegal aliens, what Time magazine described as “the largest single immigration action in modern American history.” He did this with a wave of his imperious pen. It was a decree less fit for a president than an emperor, a clear flight of that “Caesarism” which all good Obamaphiles prefer to see only in demon Trump.



    It was effected without the consultations and accommodations with a concerned electorate that should always precede great changes in a nation’s character and circumstance. Nothing gave more of an uplift to Trump and Sanders (they’ve both been riding the same wave of distrust of the governing class) than Obama’s highhanded and supercilious dismissal of working-class worries on immigration.

    Obama also bears not a little blame — if blame is the word — for the Brexit vote. His inactions in Syria, his famous declaration of the “red line” and the retreat from it, coupled with the mess of his (and Hillary Clinton’s) intervention in Libya, are heavily responsible for the great migratory convulsions of the Middle East.

    To cap things off, during his trip to Britain during the referendum, Obama warned that if the country were to leave the EU, in any future trade deal it “would be at the back of the queue.” This was seen both as interference and an insult. The words of a Telegraph columnist capture the sentiment this intrusion provoked: “(T)he condescending tones that Mr. Obama used (may produce) the reverse effect” from the one intended.

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    Indeed. There is a price for governing from on high, for being detached from voters’ expressed concerns and anxieties, and for characterizing those concerns and anxieties always as small-minded, or proceeding only from anti-liberal biases, or xenophobia and racism. Might it not also be possible that people in turbulent times, in an uncertain economy, increasingly apprehensive that their leaders are not listening to them and do not care to listen, will finally decline to follow those leaders? David Cameron has just now learned that the hard way. He has announced his resignation as prime minister.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Leaving immediately is a great idea in my opinion. Gives the globalists establishment types less chance to mess it up.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The French people have been living with their decision to elect a Socialist. I think they would definitely be ripe for a move like this. Good theory on the Celtic Union. If its going to happen now would be the time.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What an uppity thing to write.
    You presume to offend the tender feelings of our progressive shriveled up for aging Animal Farm more than equal pseudo-intellectually supremacist elite betters.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 10 months ago
    I suspect the French will be next. With the departure of the UK as a balancing force, the EU will be muscled around by the robust German economy, reviving the hostile French-German relationship. Once that happens, the EU is definitely toast. Is that a disaster? I think not, as Europe can still keep the free market conditions, which were really what created a relatively strong economic picture for the continent.

    We might see a Celtic union, formed by an independent Scotland and a unified Ireland. That would pare Great Britain down to "Not so Great" Britain, consisting of England, Wales, and Cornwall (hardly ever mentioned - the Cornish get no respect). The big item of contention there would be rights to North Sea oil revenue, which the Scots want the lion's share of if they split.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope they are serious the economics means they surivive alone or die together. Still a good idea perhaps for the tiny countries but not with the sponge countries involved.
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