Do atheists outnumber radical Muslims in the U.S.A.?

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago to Government
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if our atheists received the same honor as radical Muslims,
would terms like faith, supernatural, omniscient
and omnipresent be outlawed? -- j
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ian was part of the lyric writing process, but his then wife Jennie Franks, also participated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0jMP...

    My first rock concert wasn't until 1989, when I was 22, to watch Jethro Tull at the Hill Auditorium in Ann Arbor. Wow, Ian Anderson could sure play. My rock band in the early '80's played this as part of our set. My friend and fellow band member Mark, at that point the best saxophone player in our school, picked up a flute and within two weeks was better than the best flutist in my high school in NJ. Some people just have a gift. I still enjoy singing, but I just can't play the saxophone a tenth as well as I used to.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Certainly the best rock flutist. Great album, but I think Think as a Brick is my favorite Tull Album. Really like Stormwatch too.

    Have you listened to any Ian Anderson solo stuff. Secret Language of the Birds is good.

    BTW - do you know who wrote the lyrics to Aqualung the song? Hint, not Ian.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Try again sympathizer.You Sound like Hillacrap Clinkton and Boko Harem in Africa the next thing they did (when the state dept didn't want to include them on a terror list) was murder hundreds at a university and they kidnapped 300+ girls for sex slaves. . Oh yes and ISIS is the JV.......not
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  • Posted by livefree-NH 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In a Muslim country, the punishment for apostasy is death. To me, "apostasy" is not a crime (because I am atheist) and I would be offended that someone was being executed for, basically, being like me.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    another brilliant point, DZ! . the use of these "new
    civil rights" issues is certainly a means to an end!! -- j
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  • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hey! . got another downvote! . life is really exciting
    in this "thread." . CG, you're too predictable! -- j
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago
    thank you ... your downvote is appreciated considering the source
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By giving validity to the terrorist statment that people are out to detroy ALL of Islam
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you're okay with 1 in 5 being "radical" instead of 1 in 2. Wow.

    I'm sorry, but when I think of a radical, I'm thinking of less than 1 in 100 and preferably less than 1 in 1000. 20% is WAY too high a number to be called "radical" in my mind - especially when we're dealing with a worldwide population over 1.5 billion. One in a hundred might be an outlier. 1 in 5 is a mainstream faction.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your sarcasm is noted, but I don't believe that BS that one can only understand the Qu'ran by reading it in Arabic. I'm actually fluent in Greek and I understand the notion of cultural nuance in language, so I'm not naive enough to believe an English translation is perfect, but even if 10% is a little fuzzy, the other 90% is pretty clear. And when you've had that other 10% confirmed by an actual Muslim who does read Arabic...

    And I would like to hear from you about the actual history of the man revered above all others in Islam: did Mohammed personally kill dozens if not hundreds of "infidels" with his own sword? Do you deny that happened? Do you deny that Islam has been perpetrating war on the rest of the world for more than 1500 years? Remember, many Islamic scholars also deny the reality of the Holocaust, so I'm not real big on taking them at their word...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now you're descending into idiocy and straw man arguments. The question is whether or not Sharia can coexist with the Constitution. They can not, as both claim jurisdiction over the same matters with punitive authority. You are further asserting that the vast majority of Islamic followers are peaceful and respect the Constitution. I have demonstrated by referring to polls in their own countries that they hold Sharia to be more important than the Constitution, and I have demonstrated by pointing to not only history but current terror watch lists that Islam is anything but a religion of peace.

    As I said, you are welcome to bury your head in the sand and ignore 1500+ years of history and the warnings of the intelligence community. I'm not interested in following such an example. I make my conclusions based on facts and empirical evidence. If it weren't right there in the Qu'ran, and if there wasn't 1500+ years of history, my own conversations with eyewitnesses, etc., I'd be willing to entertain the notion that these acts were the acts of outliers. But the scales have been tipped too far in one direction for me to rationally conclude with you that such is the case.

    Does that mean that I view all Muslims as being out to actively undermine basic human rights? Nope. But having studied their religion and its violent history, I also can not conclude that the Islamic faith is tolerant of other religions - let alone the natural rights recognized and protected by the Constitution. It certainly means I'm not going to be leaving my five-year-old alone with an Islamic refugee.
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    Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your hatred and bias is pallatable ... in another time you probably said the same thing about jews
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Im glad you can read arabic and I commend you for reading the Koran .... Islamic scholars tend to completely disagree with your assesment
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok all Islamic belivers are terrorists, thats your stance ,,,, how many on watch lists are male? does that mean all males are terrorists?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have you read about the history of the Islamic religion? Ever since they started they have been all about conquest of the rest of the world. You can barely read about a major war since 800 AD that didn't involve them. The Crusades were a response to Islamic invasion of the Middle East. If not for the Spanish Inquisition, that entire nation would have succumbed to the Moors. If not for the 200 at Sparta, Greece would have been overrun and invaded by Muslims. Contrary to the romanticization by Disney and others, most pirates from the 1600's on were Muslims who would enslave their shipping conquests! The best thing that happened to the Western world has been the ongoing battles between Sunni and Shia which allowed the rest of the world to leave them to infighting for a few decades. Our invasion of Iraq allowed the Shia sect to explode in that region to where now even the Saudis (Wahab) are fearful.

    If you want to believe our president who says that Islam is a nation of peace, you do that. Just don't try to sell me that line of crap. I'm a meerkat - not an ostrich.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Did you view the video? That was an opinion poll conducted in more than twenty Muslim nations asking about basic tenets of Islam and it showed that more than half - not a minority - take stances which are incompatible with "live and let live". It wasn't an outsider's opinion, it was them representing their own beliefs and application of those beliefs.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem is that the Qu'ran isn't a holy book like the Torah or Bible where every verse has equal weight or credibility. I've read the Qu'ran, and once you get past every other sentence being "peace be upon him" or "there is no god but Allah", the first part of it really isn't that bad. But the Qu'ran is a book of precedence where the chronologically later passages override earlier passages, and it becomes more violent and less tolerant the further in one reads - just like Mohammed himself. It's the passages in the last half of the Qu'ran that are the ones actually practiced by most Muslim nations - with regional idiosyncrasies based on which flavor (Sunni, Shia, Baath, Wahab) and government style.

    I have to disagree, however, with the notion that somehow the Qu'ran does not authorize the killings and enslavement of infidels. It absolutely does and those passages fall late in the book, giving them precedence. It is also known that Mohammed himself often came into villages and butchered dozens of people himself - giving them the opportunity to convert to Islam or die. With that kind of a leadership image and the absolute fixation upon the man himself, it is no wonder that even modern Muslims want to literally take up that sword, as it is glorified not only in their heritage, but in their everyday teaching.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGaO3... for attitudes here in the US.

    Try this one as well - based on a Pew Research poll of more than twenty Muslim nations: https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg

    I think another very pertinent fact is this: of the FBI's terrorist watch list, how many of the top 10 are Islamic? Nine - the other being a Black Liberation Army member convicted of killing cops. Extend that to the rest of the top 100 and you'll find that more than 90 are also Islamic.

    If you look at the terrorist group watchlist, the entire top 10 is Islamic and more than 90 of the top 100 are Islamic.

    You go ahead and tell yourself it's a minority who are radicalized and who support terror bombings, but that's not the issue. The issue is the sovereignty of the Constitution vs Sharia among Muslims. And the fact is that a Muslim can not go against his/her religion and subordinate Sharia to any other system of government - even the Constitution. To me, that's an incredibly dangerous mindset to the rest of us.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
    How do we fix the problem I'm sort of laying bread crumbs....to a new discussion this is the advisory it will be under NEW.
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