11 Million Illegals Pay $11.6 Billion in Taxes so - We're All Good, Right?

Posted by Wanderer 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Last month the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report stating as fact each of the 11 million illegals the Obama Administration says is in the US pays, on average, $1,050 in income, excise and sales taxes each year so, (in a paragraph spilling over with moralisms and shaming) they're a net positive to the economy. Shazam! (as Gomer used to say).

National Public Radio says on average we spend $10,615 per year educating each public school student. The PEW Center says 6.9% of all K-12 public school students are children of illegal aliens. The Department of Education says there are 50.1 million K-12 public school students.

Blue Cross says the average emergency room visit costs $1,233. How many illegal aliens visit emergency rooms each year? We don't know because the Administration won't tell us however, the American College of Emergency Room Physicians unwittingly or, perhaps wittingly told us: "Many hospitals are concerned that the U.S. government will cut money — about $20 billion annually — used to pay for emergency care for undocumented immigrants — mostly in poor urban and rural areas. The health care law will eventually cut that money by half because of the anticipation that fewer people will lack insurance after the law is implemented. " http://newsroom.acep.org/fact_sheets?...

The Vera Institute says the average (39 state) annual cost of incarcerating a prisoner is $31,286 and, while the Department of Homeland Security hasn't made illegal alien prisoner statistics available for most of the current Administration's tenure, in 2010 the DHS said the average illegal alien population in State and County prisons and jails exceeded 300,000 and, exceeded 73,000 in Federal prisons. (Estimates from Bush Administration years had the illegal alien prisoner population as much as 100,000 higher.)

Multiply the number of children of illegal aliens in the public schools (3,457,000) by the average cost per student ($10,615) and you get $36.7 billion.

Multiply the minimum number of illegal aliens in prison (373,000) by the average annual cost ($31,286) and you get $11.7 billion.

Accept the ACERP estimate of Federal payouts for emergency room care (not state or local or uncompensated care) for illegal aliens and you get at least $20 billion.

Add together just these three ways in which illegal aliens burden us and you get a total of $68.4 billion.

So, per head, illegal aliens pay us $1,050 in all forms of Federal, state and local income, excise and sales taxes of all kinds and in return we pay $6,218 in costs for each of them.

Each illegal cost us almost 6 times as much as they pay in taxes. And you wondered why border states were so upset about illegal immigration and, in case you wondered why immigration produced such a boost for Trump, now you know. These are things to which common people are exposed and of which they're aware. When the Oklahoma Legislature passed the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act in 2007, making it a crime to employ or offer housing to illegal aliens, several schools in the Tulsa Public School system lost over 48% of their students. The city promptly declared itself a sanctuary city and they all came back. 48% of Tulsa's school taxes are being absorbed by the children of illegal aliens. Oklahoma's public schools rank 49th out of 50 in student performance and Tulsa's public schools rank lowest in the state. Do you imagine the flood of illegal immigrants that has poured into Tulsa in the past decade hasn't hurt the education received by the children of legal, taxpaying citizens?

I realize many of you are philosophically no-borders people but, unless you're complete fools you also realize Ayn Rand expected people to pull their weight so, in our less than ideal world, no-borders can't work.


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So ......doesn't tha tmake them .....legal? Prima Facie evidence. If the feds approved they are no longer illegal in the nation. If California approved hmmmmmmm Do they get full wages and a complete water ration?
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Illegals can get work permits with assigned numbers and have taxes withheld. They give their real name and address and it is totally accepted in California and the Federal Gov't. I don't know about other states.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True! The government finds out it's confiscated and spent on French Polishers or is that Polish Frenchers? Never mind.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I VV Some of us are speaking from Free North America but....nothing is free. Someone always pays for it in this case ..... the other side.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please do, Michael. That's what this place is for, communicating ideas. Send them the Medium link.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am disgusted with the whole thing. I am so done with this government. I disagree that the other republican candidates would have beaten Hillary. There are too many people who want guvewsys
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
    That rewrite was better than the first is it ok I send it to my family and friends? No vorders people does not include all of us. Unprotected borders is a different story.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The easy way is say fine don't wear a helmet but also don't ask for any public supoort when imjured and allow the insurance companies to deny compensation or raise the rates.

    Freedom is not provided at the expense of others. That's not freedom that's plain old ordinary garden variety theft. Politicians who feel free to steal from those who produce need to remember that. They are nothing more than criminals.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How did the taxes get paid or the refund made when there is no social security number or address? It may have been paid but it was on stolen or borrowed accounts.

    My account when i signed up for the money back years was found to have three additional payers. The government sliced those amounts off for their own use. I doubt they care if the illegals keep paying

    But as far as that $1050 as a precise figure the only way it's possible is because the government isn't doing it's job.

    Personally I'd be in favor of taking those overpayments and using them for any school or medical bills, court costs, or better yet buying a legal passport from the home country and putting them on the green card list or as a minimum the Bracero Program.

    The only truth in the story is the government is a. failing to do it's job and instead is spending time attacking it's own citizens and the Constitution. No different than that gun running scam two Attorney Generals ago that's still killing people.

    The current law as regards medical treatment and has been for some decades is no medical provider or facility can turn away anywone in need of immediate treatment. must bring them to the point of being medicallys stablilzed then transferred. That includes US Citizens wh9o are indigentl What isn't paid for is because our government knows nothing about running a business. All they have to do is bill the home country. and deduct it from foreign aid type programs or add it as a tariff ha ha on goods crossing the border. As for the indigent the medical, or school, or court, or prison system only needs to bill the whichever branch and level of government has put them on the hook without permission. At the very least they can then put it on their books as an unpaid debt and use it as legitimate overhead expenses in the 'COG or Cost of Government column.

    I'm in favor of No Funding No Mandate with a provision to automatically bill the agency who made it a law or regulation.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some of us vote for people who keep their promises but, are in such a small minority they can barely hold their ground and, almost never actually win.

    Are you a hunter? Ever heard of a stalking horse?

    As I told most of the Trump supporters I know well (not the ones I met at his rallies who, would probably not have reacted well) given the level of disappointment in Barack Obama and the level of antipathy for Hillary Clinton, there's only one thing I could think of that could ensure she would win this election - if Donald Trump hijacked the Republican primary. Any of the other 16 Republican candidates would have beat Clinton, some by narrow margins, some by double digits but, Donald Trump will lose.

    Who did Donald Trump call the night before announcing his candidacy? Bill Clinton. That doesn't mean it was all a plot but, his former PAC Communications Manager quit because he never planned to win and, when she saw he might actually win the primaries, she was aghast at being part of a fraud.

    She may have been lying, although she had no reason to, she wasn't fired. But, whether it was a left wing plot or not, it appears Hillary will beat Trump by a large popular vote margin and an even larger Electoral College margin.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    but we vote them in and believe their campaign lies. Like Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and even Brian Sandoval here in Nevada (a true turncoat). Obama told us no more war, and here we are still at war in two places and he wants to go into Syria.
    What convinced me on Trump, although when in office he might not be able to get congress to go along, is watching the town hall with Anderson Cooper, where his family was there and Cooper grilled them. His kids are amazing and I say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
    Trump is the best of the lot this year by far. Hildebeast will destroy us.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy which, if you read the article, appears to be a nongovernmental outlet for the Obama Administration's and Democrat Party's opinions on immigration policy.

    By far, the greatest portion of the $1050 would be sales and excise taxes so, there would be no record of who pays them.

    I rewrote the summary of the half dozen reference articles and posted it here: https://medium.com/@Penseur/11-millio...

    Let me know if you think it's more clear and concise than the original. I can't edit the original because no matter how many times I've tried, I haven't been able to upgrade to Producer status. I don't know why but, the upgrade page seems inactive, it doesn't process my data or charge my card and nobody replies to my emails.

    Guess I've been rejected. Maybe the Gulch is using illegals in the back room.
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  • Posted by chad 8 years, 9 months ago
    Where does the statistic of taxes paid by illegal aliens come from? Most illegal aliens I have met and questioned pay no taxes at all. They know if they do it will identify them. Most work for cash or under the table. Most don't have social security numbers and even if they buy one to get a job they are keenly aware that filing taxes may draw attention from a government they are trying to avoid. Let's suppose they do pay taxes, they have still broken the law entering the country, working and often sending their money out of the country. If I broke the law and then stated that at least I was paying taxes I don't think that would grant me clemency.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In all polls I know of, the vast majority of US citizens vote to stop all the giveaways and a solid majority (usually over 65%) vote to stop illegal immigration. It's our politicians who vote otherwise.

    I attended a number of Trump events during the primary season and, talking to people in the audiences, this was the issue that won Trump more votes and allegiance than any other, by far.

    People understood "the wall" although, they didn't understand why the wall, without the threat of lethal force, won't work.

    People didn't buy Cruz's program to force most illegals to self deport by stopping all benefits and imposing penalties on all companies that employ illegals. Whether they didn't understand the idea or, didn't trust Cruz to follow through or didn't think he could get Congress to follow through is unclear to me.

    However, it appears to me we as a country aren't stupid, our politicians simply don't care what we want or think.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    anything we GIVE illegal aliens , like minimum wage, SNAP, free health care is really through our own stupidity. I think that one should be at least a citizen before getting those things. They shouldnt pay SS or medicare. There could be a pay as your go health care/national security/local security package that would be required to get a work permit, but minimum wages wouldnt apply either.

    This would stop people from just jumping the border fence in the hopes of getting all sorts of goodies.

    We offer them high minimum wages, free schooling, free medical care for them and their babies, SNAP, all sorts of housing allowances, and then we wonder why they sneak across the border. We as a country are just stupid in this regard.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The $1050 includes ALL taxes of EVERY type paid by illegal aliens. It is an average so, obviously some illegals pay much more (in income, Medicare, Social Security and unemployment taxes, etc.) and some pay very little or nothing.

    I didn't include SNAP which, since most illegals declare little or no income, could be costing us as much as $194 per month per illegal or, $25.6 billion more per year.

    The free flow of labor is one thing, the free flow of benefits is quite another. Under current conditions they are incompatible propositions and will cause the system to crash.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 9 months ago
    Add to that the fact that any income taxes paid by illegal workers is refunded right back to them because they live in poverty. I have no problem with open borders. I have a problem with people who are NOT American citizens being able to get benefits such as welfare, public education, etc paid for by American citizens. And Emergency rooms should be only for emergencies. There should be triage and all non-emergency patients should be sent to a county clinic.
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  • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 9 months ago
    Sounds similar to how helmet laws are "justified".
    Because other bad laws and policies are on the books, we can then take other freedoms away.

    Perhaps persuasive from a practical point of view in some cases, but not very palatable.
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    Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago
    From someone who knows about hiring illegal aliens, I can tell you that they pay social security taxes, medicare taxes, unemployment taxes, but not a lot of straight up income taxes. They also pay sales taxes, DMV fees if they have cars, and property taxes through their landlords. They also work harder than white american MTV people, and certainly harder than most entitled black people.

    Get rid of illegal aliens and our economy will crash. The movie "a day without mexicans" didnt do justice to how much our economy depends on mexicans (also other hispanics).

    Take away all the cheap chinese imports and our economy will be in the deepest depression imaginable. Sure, manufacturing could return to the USA, but prices would go so high the americans couldnt afford to buy the goods that we made.

    The country has been living on the paper money printed by the federal reserve and used to buy goods from china (they are pretty stupid to actually take the paper money)= actually). Implement getting rid of illegal aliens, placing big tariffs and instituting $15 minimum wages will be the death of the USA.
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  • Posted by roneida 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    as you point out, the real problem is our Federal government and our faux "leaders".. If most of us could sneak into Canada, or laughably, Mexico, and live for free and be idolized as some kind of freedom fighter with no penalities, probably many Americans would do it. But other governments are not as vote hungry as the Obama, Clinton , Sanders ménage a trois' and we would be booted out as we should be. We have seen and known the enemy and he/she is definitely us for allowing this to happen. Don't for get to vote...it may well be your last chance. Keep your powder dry.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They pay taxes and keep records because, in most cases, they will be sponsored in when their "anchor babies" turn 18 -- and their tax records will be checked at that time.

    This has already happened for upwards of 10 million immigrants since 1986, making this whole issue a classic case of locking the barn door after the horse was stolen.

    As for the smaller amount of taxes -- they can't get back the amounts they pay into Social Security and Medicare while illegally here, even after they're legalized.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 9 months ago
    Then the right answer is to end the welfare state.
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