Trump might not be worse than Hillary, but getting "at least better by small amounts" has not happened by supporting the GOP and it won't be the case this time by supporting Trump either.
Libertarians have not gained the opportunity thanks to the system set up by GOP and Dems to keep non-statist, non-evil parties out of the competition. The GOP and Dems have made things worse in every election in the past 30 years. The Libertarians will do much better for free markets and individual liberty, and will give you "at least better by small amounts."

I understand your position, but even Johnson isnt purely "good" Would there ever actually be a candidate without ANY "evil" that would run today or even in the medium term future. I would like our country to get at least better by small amounts than to get much worse in large amounts. I just cant see Trump being worse than Hillary.

Since its completely hypothetical, if you can tell me the result of Trump being elected in advance, then I can decide if he is worse than Hitler.
Since Hitler is not running, its not relevant.
Voting for evil gets an evil result. I won't consent to be a party to that.

It was not only inherent weaselness in the promise, he repeatedly invoked it later as an excuse.

So if it was Hitler himself leading the polls vs Trump behind in the polls, and Johnson with no chance of winning at all, you would still not vote for Trump? That would leave you with Hitler as president, which is not very far from Hillary.

Of course it is "talked about". The source of the ideas and the power that are the threat to us is not the UN. If you are concerned about this, which you should be, look at the viro pressure group lobby in this country, your own state agencies, and Federal agencies like the National Park Service, EPA and US Fish & Wildlife. Ideological viro activists are entrenched in all those agencies. That is the source of land use prohibitions and outright takings and is what Gingrich supports ideologically.

Our whole crony system is flawed, but it can be manipulated more or less by the president. hillary would be a disaster. Trump would be at worst less of a disaster, and at best actually a good thing. He has my vote for sure.

You are 100% correct. I am voting for Trump cause he is the only electable candidate other than Hillary. Hillary was, is and will be a disaster.

Too bad, cause if you dont vote for trump you are going to get Hillary, which CANT be worse than Trump. Those ARE the only two choices. We will get one or the other

Yes, I do recall that bit of weasel speech, too, ewv.

Voting for a statist in fear of Hillary is the same path that brought the country to the brink of dictatorship. Continuing down that path in fear and voting for evil is not an answer.

Barf on them both. Disgusting statist looters. Gingrich caved and deserves no respect.

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org...

Note to the right...in the blue background is: The 2030 Agenda for sustainable development.

Go to the web site...it's real and talked about at the UN...it's no longer a theory.

http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/

There has long been a saying in Washington, "After 10 years it didn't happen" -- because almost everyone has forgotten. Never forget. Never let them forget.

+1. This did not deserve a downvote. It deserved an upvote, so I gave it one. Although ewv and I have had our disagreements in the past, ewv correctly recalled why I became disillusioned with Gingrich. I honestly had forgotten why, but ewv reminded me.

I helped push a third party in the 70’s also, the Libertarian Party, and your two-party argument shows up like clockwork every four years. In every presidential election, people are told that they are “wasting their vote” if they vote for the Libertarian candidate.

As one who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1972, I think the exact opposite is true. By voting for my principles, my votes over the years have had far more impact than if I had allowed the two “establishment” parties to dictate my choices.

Consider this: no matter how you have voted for President in the past, your vote has never made a difference in the outcome. Nor will it do so in the future. Even if you live in a “swing state” that could go either way, your lone vote will not spell the difference between victory and defeat for either establishment party candidate.

So if you can’t change the election outcome, why vote at all? The answer is that by voting Libertarian, you will be adding to the vote totals of the only party that consistently supports individual freedom. And those vote totals matter – the establishment parties pay close attention when a significant number of voters break with the two-party system, and they will often modify their stands on certain issues to protect their base and prevent further defections.

On the other hand, if you vote for the “lesser of two evils,” you are saying in effect, “I support the political status quo. I have faith in the two-party system, and I’m not interested in supporting candidates from other parties, even if they have fresh ideas that I agree with. I don’t like either of the two establishment party candidates, but I will vote for Establishment Party Candidate X because he or she is not quite as bad as Establishment Party Candidate Y.” This truly is a waste of your vote, and does nothing to advance the cause of freedom.

Gingrich is destructive and would give pseudo intellectual cover for Trump's anti-intellectual statist Pragmatism, making the difference between Trump and Clinton less significant. https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post... It would be good for Trump all right, but not for the citizens.

There is no "UN Agenda 21" threat. This is an Ayn Rand forum. Please keep the UN black helicopter conspiracy theories out of it.

The course of the culture is set by the dominant ideas adopted and implemented. One of the ideologies causing the destruction is environmentalism sacrificing people to nature. The source of its destructive ideas and power is not the UN. Newt Gingrich is one of them, already described on this same page at https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

Who is the clown who voted this down? This is an Ayn Rand site. We do not support sacrificing people to nature religion and the destruction of private property rights.

With the right moves and the right message, in today's climate...a third party might finally see the light of day.

Buzz Buzz - Wrong! I think that there numbers are as good as it's going to get.
I helped push a third party in the 70's, when it comes to the presidency a third party is just a spoiler. You will end up with the results that you least wanted.

By no means are Trump and Gingrich any where close to perfect, but the big question is are you willing to go third party and give everything to Hillary and the democrats?

"Stupid" may not be the best adjective for Rice, but ok.
Trump still needs to bring in minorities and women, where he lags terribly. Anything, is better than Hillary.

The Gingrich "contract" promise was only to bring it to a vote. He carefully did not promise to fight for it.