Melania Trump plagiarism?

Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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One of the more difficult aspects of being a professor is dealing with plagiarism issues. I ask you to compare Michelle Obama's and Melania Trump's speeches, and decide for yourself. Be objective.

For your information, many professors require students to submit their work electronically so that it can be checked for plagiarism via turnitin.com. While such software checks do check for similarities in words and phrases, the analysis that the software performs does not give proper credit to the student when the student does give proper attribution.

If Mrs. Trump were taking a class from you, would she pass or fail, after last night?


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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would have given her credit if she had started reading the speech and said "Hell this isn't what I wrote and pulled out what she had written before the speech writer got her hand in it even though it might not have been as good. She would then have made up for the social pressure she fell for when she had said that she had written the speech.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As long as that isn't the "Only" thing that you use for proof. I think of it as a way to prescreen papers. Maybe get half or so past the point of looking more closely, and then checking citations to rule out most of the rest. Hopefully none are still suspect by that time. You get what I am saying.

    I had a Prof once who just ran them through and wanted to give Double F's if TurnItIn popped on it. He didn't last long as a Prof.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
    What's important is the Professors's feel compelled to check for plagiarism. So much for the Safe Spot Sanctuaries validity as a public institution.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What one learns and uses is the important thing. The degree is just a piece of paper, not the goal. I think a lot of college students have this backwards today !
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I went to school to get knowledge plus the 3 degrees,
    so that I could provide for myself and my family ...
    and have fun doing real work, to be productive.
    the degrees were harder to get than the knowledge.
    and everyone -- it seems -- tries to stop productivity. -- j
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 8 years, 9 months ago
    There is no such thing as plagiarism when political speech is involved. The language, in its present form is 1400 - 1600 years old, and everything has been said before. Complaints of Plagiarism are usually media or opposition based to take attention away from what was, or may have been a good moment for the charged party.
    President Reagan's "Shining 'City on a Hill'" is from Mathew 5:14 quoting Jesus' "Salt and Light" parable from the Sermon on the Mount, it was also used by John Winthrop the 1st Gov. of Mass. Bay Colony in 1630. "My word is my bond" is Act III Scene II of "Midsummer Night's Dream" by Shakespeare in 1600. Did Michelle Obama credit the Bard?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And in doing so left themselves wide open to similar charges and once again proving they are too stupid to know when to shut up. Why pick a scab and re-open a wound. Swift Boat Veterans proved that but the left insists on slitting it's guts open every time. What a bunch of dumb asses.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Plagiarists are just taking the easy way out of production. Copy and paste are fine for repetitive tasks, not original work. But sometimes calling a whale a whale is not plagiarism, just fact.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Also very good term, I liken it to the lawsuit for Axanar, where they have completely original material in a framework that everyone knows. The message and content and context are different, and fits their communication needs. Not like it is copyrighted. Oh, wait, maybe all the politicos do copyright everything, so they can sue afterwards...Good thing the Founding Fathers didn't..
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 years, 9 months ago
    jbrenner,

    Having worked in IT support for a number of years at Universities and Community Colleges. I often tell professors to not trust TurnItIn, but they being human essentially are lazy and want a push button solution to their work issues.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michelle's original speech had something to do with trying out her new airplane for a trip to Paris - for dinner. I do not recall anything of substantive value that followed.

    Reading that speech, had I listened to begin with I doubted she had written a single word. Of course that was with the sure and certain knowledge that important people don't have to do such mundane unimportant work as truthful conversation with the people they hope will elect them.

    I wonder how many of these could write a speech as short and as meaningful as that beginning with "Four score and seven ....'

    Count them on the fingers of one hand? Why do I not feel defrauded? Because no one expects much from Genus Politicas these days. It also explains why I don't listen to debates or conventions. If they can articulate verbally they cannot speak truthfully. Normally the two reside in the 'can't' column.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    pla·gia·rism
    ˈplājəˌrizəm/
    noun
    noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms

    the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
    synonyms: copying, infringement of copyright, piracy, theft, stealing; informal cribbing
    "accusations of plagiarism"

    It's a common practice and relatively easy to get away with. Anything that is older than the copyright laws allow your safe. They are something like patents in that respect. Words I beleive have to be more exact especially in the public arena where they were meant to be listened to, thought about, and hopefully adopted. This particular case follow at least degrees of that. Was it exactly word for word? No and no one with any brains at all would have knowingly cribbed something wihich in effect shows admiration for thiier mental ability in this case. Did someone slide an unattributed piece of work in to the pile of suggestions? I would believe that

    A full blown case of intentional plagiarism of thoughts and ideas for profit does exist in this country in the writings of George Lakoff whose 'system; may be attributed directly to the philosopher Plato and many of his linear descendants and he claims in doing original thinking and makes a profit at doing so. That was my evaluation of his writings which are also sophomoric to my thinking and evaluations. Yet he no one has stood up for the original authors and thinkers and filed a counter claim. In my personal estimation he is a a fraud and he is at the level of a secular 700 club.

    I rather thought the left was a bit wiser than using this as some sort of point scoring device considering their own background but then that applies to so many many talking poiints,. Economics, morality, treatment of the military, women's movement, equal opportunity, civil rights, various 'isms, The are so used to getting away with it they don't think of fact checking and finding out as others did the name of Eleanor Roosevelt was involved.

    No. just mark it down to the current campaigns version of Bimbo Brigade Babes.

    Unless you wish a full blown he said, she said war and that is one thing the left cannot survive.
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  • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 9 months ago
    My understanding of plagiarism is that one copies, without attribution, another's ORIGINAL statements. If that's so, how can one assert that Melania plagiarized another, when Michelle obviously didn't originate the ideas she spoke about?!? "Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all into the valley of death rode the 600." If Melania had used THAT in her speech, without attribution, then you could claim plagiarism. Speaking pablum, when English isn't even your first language, doesn't count.
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  • Posted by Sneaker 8 years, 9 months ago
    A simple question, a simple answer ..
    She would pass.The liberal press has blown this out of proportion.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
    About 5% seems to be identical to Mrs. Obama's speech. It's probably a vanity thing for Melania to claim to have written it all herself, and the speechwriter who inserted those copied words either was ignorant or malicious. In any case, a classic example of a tempest in a teapot, which the Dems are very adept at.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 8 years, 9 months ago
    One local news source which I do trust remarked that Michelle's speech sounded like passages from Will Steger's 1989 book, "Crossing Antarctica"! Many were very familiar and then Anne Coulter pointed out that most of them in one form or another were in every graduation address, (I insert) probably since Demosthenes stood on the shore with stones in his mouth trying ro speak over the roar of the sea! I know apologies were rendered by the person who actually wrote the speech but her claiming that she and Barach shared the sme values is more news worthy.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then almost 100% of all political speeches need your same condemnation. In fact if you put the stuff here in the gultch to your standard you need to condemn the majority of people here too.
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  • Posted by ritzenhauf 8 years, 9 months ago
    both Michelle and Melania are guilty of speaking in clichés and uttering unoriginal thoughts.

    i find it hard to condemn anyone for plagiarism in short bursts of well-worn over-polished nuggets of average wisdom.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, she is not taking a class from me. Proper attribution is part of exchanging value for value, however. FYI, a 5% score on turnitin.com is Turnitin's cutoff for whether or not the professor should do his/her own plagiarism check.
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