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There Will Be No Second American Revolution: The Futility of an Armed Revolt

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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Sadly, I cannot substantially disagree.


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Immediate compliance is not needed nor desire. the use of such laws are for targeting individuals at a later time.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The answer is quite simple. Thee will be no second revolution because we have already undergone three and one does not repeat the taglines of history. Had you seaid Fourth Revolution ahh that's a different story . Why is tthat important. It shows an indifference to accuracy and what has happened once will happen twice.

    1776
    Civil War
    Progressive Usurption

    No coups
    No counter revolutions so far.
    No fourth revolutions.

    And to what do ascribe this fierce fighting spirit and mastery of guerrilla tactics?
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The government already knows who has which gun and what magazines they have, for most people. When NICS check is done (Brady Bill), the government is supposed to destroy the record after a short time, but time and again states have been found to preserve the record. Besides, technically, the NICS check record itself may be destroyed to comply with the law, but what is to prevent the government from making a copy and calling it by another name? Not as if this hasn't been done before... After all, we still don't know the definition of "is," but, of course, what difference does it make? The government is not going to do anything about those people having "illegal" weapons and magazines. It doesn't need to do anything. It accomplished its goal - all those people are technically criminals; they will sit quiet during any disturbances because they know that they have already broken the law and most will prefer to stay below the radar. Mission accomplished.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Colonials were a different breed, literally. Those were people who emigrated from other countries because they wanted freedom and economic opportunity and were willing to earn it. They were not pampered with handouts, nor did they expect any. Those that were born here, also came from the same stock and valued freedom above all. Can you even for a moment compare an average Colonial with an average American today? As long as the EBT is funded and ESPN is transmitting, they're in a nirvana. As for the government disarming the populace - it's an insurance policy.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that a more probable scenario is like the one that brought down the Soviet Union - after all, the US is becoming more and more like the USSR, only without the ideology that helped sustain it for a while. The end came through general apathy and incompetence. The problem is that instead of correcting the faults, in Russia, and likely in the US, the evil people will not get punished, the evil ideology will not be exposed and banished, instead, the flags will change and the same evil people will cut each others' throats to get to the top and rule again. Until next time...
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  • Posted by marc 8 years, 9 months ago
    So, you say that “There Will Be No Second American Revolution: The Futility of an Armed Revolt.”? (http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2016/...)

    Well, if THAT is the case, then why are the global elites doing their damndest to disarm We The American People? Does anyone recall how the First American Revolution began? A bunch of farmers with fowling pieces and woodsmen with Kentucky rifles turned out to stop a few regiments of Redcoats from seizing a stock of arms and powder at Lexington and Concord?

    They did not try to fight the British regulars in stand-up formations; instead, they ambushed them, firing from behind rocks, trees, and walls, using hit-ran-run attacks that were called “partisan tactics” at the time, and would now be referred to as guerrilla warfare.

    As a British Army after-action report phrased it “By this time the Country took y Alarm and went immediately I Arms, and we were thus harassed from behind rocks, tree, wall, stone hedges, and we were unable to meet a Man other than behind a rock, tree, stone wall, ect., who immediately gave his fire and off he went.”

    Eventually, the Continentals became trained and somewhat equipped enough by France so that they could meet the Brits on conventional fields of battle, but until then they had to resort to guerrilla warfare and keep the enemy off-balance until they could fight—and WIN—conventional battles.

    Unable to win? Maybe not at first—but guerrilla tactics can hurt—and ultimately KILL—regular military formations. I refer to the successful Afghani mujahideen campaigns against the Soviets, among others. True, they got a lot of help from the U.S. and other foreign sources, but it would have been worthless without a fierce fighting spirit that anyone trying to disarm and enslave us will soon discover all too many of us still possess!
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  • Posted by marc 8 years, 9 months ago
    So, you say that “There Will Be No Second American Revolution: The Futility of an Armed Revolt.”? (http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2016/...)

    Well, if THAT is the case, then why are the global elites doing their damndest to disarm We The American People? Does anyone recall how the First American Revolution began? A bunch of farmers with fowling pieces and woodsmen with Kentucky rifles turned out to stop a few regiments of Redcoats from seizing a stock of arms and powder at Lexington and Concord?

    They did not try to fight the British regulars in stand-up formations; instead, they ambushed them, firing from behind rocks, trees, and walls, using hit-ran-run attacks that were called “partisan tactics” at the time, and would now be referred to as guerrilla warfare.

    As a British Army after-action report phrased it “By this time the Country took y Alarm and went immediately I Arms, and we were thus harassed from behind rocks, tree, wall, stone hedges, and we were unable to meet a Man other than behind a rock, tree, stone wall, ect., who immediately gave his fire and off he went.”

    Eventually, the Continentals became trained and somewhat equipped enough by France so that they could meet the Brits on conventional fields of battle, but until then they had to resort to guerrilla warfare and keep the enemy off-balance until they could fight—and WIN—conventional battles.

    Unable to win? Maybe not at first—but guerrilla tactics can hurt—and ultimately KILL—regular military formations. I refer to the successful Afghani mujahideen campaigns against the Soviets, among others. True, they got a lot of help from the U.S. and other foreign sources, but it would have been worthless without a fierce fighting spirit that anyone trying to disarm and enslave us will soon discover all too many of us still possess!
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are many rules, regulations, and laws that don't involve taxes. Each one ignored builds an increasing image of impotence for the government. Eventually, change becomes necessary, and violent action not in response to violent acts by citizens will begin the collapse.
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  • Posted by Donald-Brian-Lehoux 8 years, 9 months ago
    Vote veteran someone that puts America B4 any part and the second revolution will not be necessary, Constitution and common sense. End double standard,DC politician on Obamacare,SS mrpresident2016.com
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  • Posted by EdGoldstein 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the employer did not collect taxes from the employee before he is paid, the system could be collapsed. The power to enforce taxes is absolute control.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True but I do thin he's right about infrastructure. It shard to move an army overland if you can't sustain your supply chain.
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  • Posted by EdGoldstein 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They are tribal and the tribes have been warring among themselves for centuries. Any outside force is stepping into a lion pit.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
    Since there has been three that is a true statement.

    1776
    Civil War
    Progressive Takeover

    No Coups I'm aware of...

    Next up to bat is a counter revolution to restore the guaranteed Constitutional Republic. Miinimal force required, no damage to infrastructure, business as usual. business and government and schools do not shut down.

    Legal, authortized, required.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 9 months ago
    If one wants to see how a basically peaceful, but armed protest is handled, one needs to look no further than the saga of the Bundys and their sympathizers. If it is done on a small scale there is no chance of winning a revolution and the vast majority of Americans know that if revolution is done on a large scale they will starve to death due to lack or preparation, basic survival skills and available resources. So, I would agree, there will be no large scale armed rebellion. We have become too dependent on Big Brother. The only hope of any successful rebellion is if a majority of the military and government security apparatus say "No sir, I will not obey that order" as happened when the Utah National Guard was told to confiscate weapons during Katrina.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They will be armed After all it will be their country not yours. Your wishful thinking ignored. Who are iyou anyway. Their oat said Constitution . That which shit canned. Why should you matter. And there is nothing your unorganized, unarmed, untrained and unworthy couch potato ass can do to stop them.

    50 50 they will or they won't. Fairy tails won't count. Nor will you.

    Are you an active duty, reserve duty, former or retired member? I thought not. Worry about you. You can't spell 'too.' And Tom Cruise is fiction.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong again. it's not a coup. That would be Obama deciding not to abdicate for fear Trump will ruin his non existent legacy and Hillary will take credit for his great and wonderful successes.

    We've had three revolutions. 1776, Civil War, Progressives. This last one set up the First Counter Revolution. Legal, Required, A 24 hour exercise at worst. Probably the oldest standing operational procedure in the nation. No tanks in the street, all calm and peaceful and follows the Constitution implicitly. I would think that after 14 or 15 months someone would have paid attention.
    ';;;to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and Domestic.'

    Why do you think this administration called active, reserve, retired and former members of the military the greatest danger this administration faces. Legal, required, completely constitutional and no one to stop them. Ain't it grand now if only they would remember their oath. Odds of it haippening? 50 50 They will or they won't.

    But remember. It isn't for you. Their oath isn't to those who cry and whine about being forced to choose evil. You don't coumt as well you shouldn't. You aren't you weren't worth the effort. You were found wanting.

    Nope it isn't for people or citizens or the country - none of that. Their oath was to the Constitution. You got and will an almost free ride.

    Question is once they uphold their oath of office why should they give it back to those who stood by doing nothing but accepting evil. Give it back to you? Do you think you are worth it?

    If they do save you from Trump or Hillary that's a side issue. You will come under a program known as Educating Citizens in their Rights and Responsibilities .

    The funny part is it will bve hardly noticed. No tanks no starvation. Little or no resistance. Perhaps a few executions scarcely noticed. No unapproved newspaper or tv reports. Maybe just a letter in the mail.

    Dear SoandSo. Your friends and neighbors have selected you for Citizenship Training. Report to Re-Education Camp. Successful graduates will .... Attendance is mandatory. If iyou don't show up? No sweat the offer is one time only. Go back to work. just like you do every day. Failing in your responsibility does not earn citizenship. Try to register to vote? Sorry Sir, Sorry Ma'am.

    Why not? You think they were going to just give it back? Be like handing a twinkie to a ding dong.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 9 months ago
    Any revolution will be much more subtle than overt, immediate reversion to firearms. The state of New York demanded that all owners of firearms that could handle large capacity magazines and the magazines for them present them to law enforcement for registration in a state database, or face criminal charges. Less than 5% of the estimated population of such gun owners complied, creating a dilemma for the state. They had never anticipated widespread civil disobedience, and couldn't conceive of the enormity of effort needed to enforce the law, so they elected to ignore it and take no further action.

    I anticipate that "shrugging" will happen wherever such preposterous laws are attempted. Once the effectiveness of defying a government with an inflated sense of self importance becomes more publicly known, the practice will spread until the imperious government administration we all resent will collapse, to be replaced by a more modest form of structure.

    Revolution, but with a whimper, rather than a bang. Shrugging in place makes it unnecessary to find a Gulch.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I keep laughing as the question is asked and no once since we war gamed it out during the Carter years has any one realized the ease of a full bore counter revolution . Tune the bass, ditch the strings and KISS.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To much Hollywood and a lack of KISS. Three revolutions counting from 1776 and one counter revolution is the most likely occurance.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 9 months ago
    No, but there could be a secession, and that will also require armed support, albeit more modest.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
    Not a pretty picture, A.J.
    I hear the whine, "Why can't we all just get along?"
    The answer? Because we are humans. Our knowledge and science has far outstripped our ability to use our most powerful ability for peace, rationality. We are a young race. As cosmic time goes, we are not even a blip on the time scale as homo sapiens. So far, as a race, we are not mature enough to adopt a rational philosophy which will keep us from one another's throats.
    For longevity, so far, the big lizards make us look like beginners. Which, come to think of it, we are. The motto, "ad astra per aspera" Through hardship to the stars, illustrates that we haven't gotten through the hardship part. maybe 100 years from now. Or 500, or 1,000. We'd still be but a blip on the time scale.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 9 months ago
    I always get back to the same question; WHAT IS THE END GAME? We the people have for 200 years elected people to be our representatives in a representative government. Over the years that representation has disappeared. So they take over and what do they get. who will want to work for the government. So we could have a shooting revolution of sorts since people will have nothing to do once businesses are gone.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 9 months ago
    Yes, but the same could have been said about the USSR and there are probably other examples
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