this lack of trustworthiness applies to all who see life
as an "any means to the desired ends" affair. . there are
zillions of these, and they lie and cheat until they win. -- j
.

thanks.

This was not addressed to me, but I'll reap d with my own theory.

It is that libertarians take " non-initiation of the use of force" as their primary philosophical axiom. Objectivism recognizes that this is not an axiom and must be proven itself separately. The end result of this is that libertarianism does not see any action that does not harm someone else is unethical, while objectivism sees wasting your life in an opium den as unethical.

I HAVE A CAPS LOCK BUTTON TOO.

Kidding aside, this is not a document to disparage Ayn Rand. It is an attempt to take away unfair stigmas from illegal aliens, as the opinion of the writers is that the law preventing their entry is unjust and therefore refusing to restrict ones one actons in response to the law is not unethical in itself

What do you see as the distinction between Objectivist and Libertarian?

A couple of observations.
Our immigration laws, outdated or not, are just useless pieces of paper. For generations, by now, the government refuses to implement them.
That in turn reflects deep seated differences among very vocal advocates of the various issues involved, with no prevailing fundamental philosophy underlying the immigration law suitable to our times.
That in turn reflects that vast groups of people think of themselves as hyphenated Americans, letting the melting pot freeze.
That in turn reflects the divisive efforts of many politician touting "diversity" as a more fundamental value than American unity.
That in turn reflects a long process, which started with the ascendance of the "progressives" (crypto sympathizers of various brands of collectivist ideologies - socialist, communist or fascist), the initiators of irrational and utopian ideas about governing philosophy and deniers of the primacy of the Constitution.
That in turn reflects an ongoing process, starting with the poor parenting by the so called greatest generation, as an initial manifestation of that process, which a cold hearted scientific mind has no choice but to describe as a DECAY.

So effing what? What would you call obama or hillary? or cruz?

Immigration is good WHEN (AND ONLY WHEN) you have more jobs than people. But, like it is right now, the percentage of Americans working is at a 40 year low, immigration is bad for the economy.

I think we should be grateful that Ayn Rand was smart enough to do what she had to too stay here. If she did not stay here and went unnoticed living in Russia this site would not exist!!!!!!!!!

The days of Ayn Rand's entry to the USA and the illegals of today cannot be compared. During the first third of the 20th century, entry into this country was encouraged not discouraged. No one looked very hard at how people got in or became citizens. Among the various ethnic groups who entered, it was essential to "become American." They may have stayed with their people but they strove for citizenship, and their children were encouraged to do well in an American way and not be a "greenhorn." As the population swelled, immigration became more formalized and backgrounds were checked more closely. But not until the last quarter of the century did we have illegals coming in like a tsunami. The question arises today, is a country without borders, a country? This article presents a false alternative by making a false equivalency. While I'm in no position to write a well researched essay, I'll just leave it with this: For dozens of reasons, the world changed in 50 years since Rand's entry and it continues to change with perils unheard of during the latter part of the 19th and the first part of the 20th centuries. Those perils and considerations must be taken into account, especially when a wretched group of people wish to destroy America because of what they believe in their religion.

I totally agree with you Eyecu2!

If a Nazi soldier comes to your door and asks if you are hiding any jews (and your house is full of them), an objective morality would require you to lie to them, as totalitarian fascists do not deserve being treated any other way...treating the soviets or a corrupt American immigration system is no different...today's immigrants from the middle east of Muslim Islamic religion (an organizational front for totalitarian terrorists), who are taught never to be honest with infidels must be treated as such...you cannot "vet" anyone of that belief and expect anything else and, as such, do not let the barbarian inside the gate as Europe has done...

Happy to.

I am against all Illegals and additionally against ALL of Obama's immigration policies. Based on the fact that these immigrants nearly all receive some form of government assistance paid for by the US taxpayers.

If we would end ALL government hand outs, my position would be very different. However as long as I am footing the bill (even if in a miniscule way). I say NO to all this.

Snoogo... True. How many single, female immigrants from Russia in Ms. Rand's time flew airliners into American buildings killing thousands, gassed civilians in Iraq, held Americans hostage for hundreds of days, ...it is impossible to compare today's obvious, plain threats to her time. The Communists were as bad as a threat as ISIS, but how many Rands have we seen from the ignorance and squalor of what used to be a civilized part of the world. ?? The enemy is the religion, NOT the race.

And this is the problem...we can't trust them.
Same goes for marxist, communist and socialist...they'll go along to get along but continue to secretly change things little by little using alinsky like tactics...they too, are not awake, and might never awaken just like muslims. This has been a problem for 8000 years in the only true division between us; conscience/no conscience; whether forms of conscience be fear of consequence or willful rational moral thought.

Exactly. She was a unique open-minded thinker. You cannot compare her to practically unschooled aliens. I have nothing against illegal aliens. Just those that are here to distribute drugs and promote crime to support their lifestyle.

Immigration has been open through most of our history; Rand and millions others appropriately immigrated to the US.
"Illegal" today is an issue because of the welfare state, and refugees are an issue because of terrorism. Eliminate the WS & terrorism, and require immigrants to assimilate and learn English, and there is no immigration problem.

Muslims will accept your laws until they can switch over to sharia law as dictated by the Koran.

Area by area, to cities, to states. Willing to wait until their numbers dominate.

Exactly right! Exactly!