It's Official: Gary Johnson Is A Left-Wing Candidate

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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An interesting discussion of Gary Johnson and the Libertarian slide into depravity (i.e. the "political" world). Note the AR reference at the end. Maybe time to form some kind of Objectivist party..


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Spoiling the chances of the establishment ruling class to implement the single party system. There are only two parties in contention Libertarians and even that is a suipposition and the government party.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both Trump and Clinton have bigger egos than Gary Johnson. Do you favor a perpetual two-party system with no "spoilers" allowed?
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  • Posted by wmiranda 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He stands as much of a chance as a snow ball in Key West. Spoiler running for his ego's sake.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really? Whose campaign is he "spoiling"? He appears to be drawing evenly from the "major" parties. And with Johnson's support at over 10 percent in many polls, it appears that voters are looking at him as a serious alternative to the mainstream candidates.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 8 months ago
    An Objectivist party?--I remember (this is from memory) Ayn Rand's saying,"I am not and I do not
    want to be the leader of any organized 'movement.'
    I do approve of an intellectual movement..." Whether she would approve of an "Objectivist" party at this point I do not pretend to know. She
    seemed to say that it would be hopeless to try
    to get any lasting and significant political change
    in this country before getting enough people con-
    verted to the Objectivist philosophy. But we don't have much time left, we have to do some-
    thing.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Did the Libertarian party have primaries like the
    Democratic and Republican? I ask because I don't
    know.--If they did, why did they nominate Johnson
    and Weld if they don't go along with what they say?
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  • Posted by Boldstandard 8 years, 8 months ago
    Objectivists before 2012: "Libertarians are the enemy, because they are too much anarchists!"

    Objectivists now: "Libertarians are the enemy, because they are too much statists!"

    I mean, okay. Both statements were true. I don't disagree. But let's focus on the crucial issue here: Gary Johnson is way better than Trump and Hillary, and he is a stepping stone towards more liberty oriented positions becoming mainstream. He is very, very close to obtaining a spot in the debates, and could possibly be the only hope we have of not descending into an imminent dictatorship.

    Yeah, I agree we should watch his positions and voice our disagreements with things like carbon tax and forcing the Xian bakers or whatever. But these are not the most important issues in this election, and none of the other candidates are any better on those things. So calling him a Leftist is pointless and actually not true.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    One of the reasons I enjoy The Gulch is that I learn from it. But another reason for enjoying it is the posts that reflect the same opinions as mine. It is pleasant to know that you folks exist. I often say that you all have taken the words right out of my mouth. It is very unsanitary, but then, so is kissing.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    When Socrates asked his students to define a human being they came up with "A featherless biped." Whereupon, the next day, the old man threw a plucked chicken at them. Gary Johnson is a plucked chicken. He puts on the guise of a Libertarian, but is one in name only.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not yet. Much more education is needed. A majority of the populace is statist at this point in time. Either help re-educate them, or concentrate on the young people and let the older ones die off.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He wanted to decriminalize pot, but NOT THE OTHER DRUGS. That is a very compromised position. Either prohibition is immoral, or it isnt. Johnson is halfway.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Straight libertarian policies would die a horrible death in a federal election. They have no choice but to adapt to statism.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    Its way too early for a really free market candidate to get any traction. Wasting money on politics itself is not sensible. Pure education, involving also incorporating comments on political issues, is the way to go.
    Right now we are facing a probably majority of the populace who are statists, and they will never respond to non-statist political arguments
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The platform threw some off as it does not match the candidates so that idea applied to a Lib/Trump and currently one suggest ed by others and pushed by the Millennials is correct but not with the correct side of things. For sure they dont represent their iparty platform so what say the party bosses over their in lib land?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
    There needs to be a bigger issue than a carbon tax to assign this label. What are the others?

    Still the best option we have.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 8 years, 8 months ago
    Johnson is running as a spoiler only. Next time around, get into the debates and let people really look at you. But right now, thumbs down.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
    About the only libertarian peg left standing is Johnson's stand on decriminalizing drugs. I think he's aiming at a cabinet position in the Clinton administration.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK, i just find that even as a platform, implementation without complete deconstruction and starting over is highly improbable. The same sources of corruption you speak of, would naturally twist and turn things, as well as buy judges who would need to be much more open minded and commonsensical than today's rule bound, precedent needing worms.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Certainly and it's the reason pursuit of happiness was included in the Declaration. Attacking someone takes many forms so as the founders thought about it they came up with a qwuality of life statement. Life with out Liberty is impossible when pursuit of happiness is impaired. I got this one straight from the explanation offered in the Hillsdale course ont he Constitution. and it is the reason for those words being included. Don't bother the neighbors.

    That can easily be stretched to inlude what iyou said about dumping toxics and it' sa direct attack meaning defense is authorized.

    As to the rights the false premise is assuming they have the right to impose a right that in turn infringes on a previously granted or natural right or rights.

    Money as free speech came about exactly that way if you follow the trail which started with King George III. But the proponents of that which in modern terms says Corporations have a person hood and tht gives them the rights of individuals and vice versa EXCEPT for two reasons the courts ignored. The smallest minority is a group of one and of those groups who can outspend a corporation. The whole reason for that personhood thing was to protect stock holders in a suit against the corporation and allow corporate employees at the highest level to hide behind that protection. But it's evolved into much more and now allows everything except direct contact with a candidate or public official using money. Corporations can be for example a 'Foundation. registered as an LLC.' That's their escape hatch.

    The second reason goes like this. it's the Soros mantra. "I Have The Right without explanation to take away your rights without exception.

    Cast your eyes over the Consitutiton and bill of rights and see how many rights were trampled by money as free speech. Something like Five if memory serves. But the court only considered none of that.

    So we have to maintain that no right can be put in place that infringes in existing rights.

    And that goes for states rights over turned by rogue bought and paid for judges who use their judicial power to overturn parts for the Constitution they don't like. I's a standard Soros secular progressive ACLU tactic followed by the circular but still false premised arguments which is radical reasoning for repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth especially if you control education and the media. Look at how well that worked with the balanced budget with a surplus scam. And that was a five minute research job to disprove and a overnight weight to clarify one point with the Treasury Department.

    But then we were dealing with reporters not journalists.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK, I can see their platform as being something that is very applicable to us and today. I like it. I just wonder if there is ever some allowance for how do you control, or force to perform, a person who is damaging others? I.E in respect to pollution, and corporations. If a company is dumping toxic sludge in a river, killing all the fish, and then putting all the fisherman out of work, are they liable for the loss? If your neighbor is playing loud music at 2am at 400 db, is there a mechanism to control? How do you deal with those that impose themselves on others? It seems you will have a quandary of circular arguments, when one persons rights to individual liberty and freedom impose themselves on another.I do like their position, just could not fathom how they would deal with the idiots in the crowd.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
    I thought about that and looked at the suggested existing efforts. given the size at the present timeI'll hold off. I really like not being in, at least in one phase in my life, a collective as much as possible. It' seems to defeat the purpose but given something the size of a libertarian party an easy goal really I would do like all good objectivists and apply the new information. I still believe the way to accomplish that is coalition politics but the idea is to new in the USA except of course for the Democrats and Republicans. But I have been watching as with anything while it may not be personally useful right now Law Three always keep testing. I belong to no organizationis at the present time and contribute on my own to some orphanages and the local ambulance service. Comes from spending time as a single hander in sailing.
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