It's Official: Gary Johnson Is A Left-Wing Candidate

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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An interesting discussion of Gary Johnson and the Libertarian slide into depravity (i.e. the "political" world). Note the AR reference at the end. Maybe time to form some kind of Objectivist party..


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not Bad...No bad at all. But nowhere in there did I read Constitutional Republic.

    If that is a zero then two situations also occur.

    The Constitutional Republic vote of whatever size is one. Is there enough left to matter and if there is how many? I don't see that group counted in any of the polls and only mentioned in passing by some not at all by the left.

    The Military has free rein to follow their oath of office from which loyalty to the Constitution is a requirement and a duty and which they are not released unless they resign (commissioned) or serve out thier time (enlisted). Not really a free rein except in the manner they choose to accomplish the mission. In effect they would be or perhaps are the only Constitutional legal authority left. Perhaps they might get support and in advance from a segment of the court. Segments of the Congress and so forth. But at that point those would have no authority until the military gave it back.

    How they do it when they do it and what happens to those in the way is irrelevant to the one central requirement Support and Defend te Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. It's also their call when they give it back that is judge the population to be worthy.

    Enemies Domestic you covered rather well.

    With the support they would get from a significant portion of the country and the prior planning (military has plans for everything every eventuality) It's a 24 hour over the weekend hiccup to put stars in the oval office. No tanks required.

    So the percentage I look for is those that would support the Constitution and the Republic...

    Especially those within the military.

    And it's the main reason Obama or Hillary or anyone else cannot declare martial law. On doing so they would be handcuffed and jailed.

    Start witih DOHS are they likely or not likely to uphold their oath of office which says the same thing. They represent the only sizable possibility as the Protective Echelon. And many are former or retired miitary. They are not big enough, strong enough nor anything enough assuming their own members don't join with the military thus following their oath of office.

    Followed by Law Enforcement nation wide.

    followed by registered weapons owners

    But judge all of these groups as anti Constitution as well as pro Republic. There's some from both sides. For that matter how much of the military would be loyal to their oath. Answer is don't use them against the population and make damn sure the military itself knows that. IF it became necessary due the usual riots and TV liquor store break ins that's different. But no more Kent States

    Now there is another source of suipport Guard and Reserves. Quietly activated. Just anothere weekend drill. To keep an eye on things. .

    The actual accomplishiment is not that big a deal and requires no tanks in the street. The reason. Their is no organized effort planned out to stop the military from doing their legally required job.

    Nor in the media network centers. They will do as they are told as always. They would eat their young to get ratings and the morality of doing as told has escaped them thus far. Interviews for opinions might be useful in locating certain people's locations come to think of it.

    College campus's you are kidding me are you not? All huddled in their safe spots.

    If iyou want support shown publicly just ask the population that supports the Constitution and Republic to show up at rally's Perception Management.

    That leaves political party headquarters. Cut the heads off hydra the rest pooooooffff gone.

    The current elected politicians would be dissolved until the decision to have new elections was madekl - by the military.

    Key factor. As long as no harm came to the President the Secret Service Detail is happy.

    On Jan 20th he's sent into retirement with full protective detail SS and Military.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A real problem is that today a really consistent principled presidential candidate would want to dismantle so much of what the current government is doing that he/she would scare the majority of the populace.

    Assume for a moment that the voting public are about 50% democratic and 50% republican. On the democratic primary election, sanders and hildebeast pretty much split the vote- and on the republican side Cruz got 1/3 and trump 2/3 in the primary. In my simple math I say that at least in terms of purely popular support hildebeast gets 25% ,sanders gets 25%, Cruz gets 1/3 of 1/2 or 16 2/3%. And trump gets 2/3 of 1/2 or 33 1/3%. I thought cruz represented the most "principled and constitutional" group. Trump got the people disgusted with the crony establishment. And sanders/hildebeast got the true evil statists split between the crooked and crony group (Hillary) and the misguided and ignorant group (sanders). This is simplistic for sure, but if Cruz got only 1/6 of the voters , a really consistent and principled candidate doesn't stand a chance in the current election. The tide has turned in the country towards hildebeast/sanders statism becoming the majority philosophy, with pragmatism (trump) and constitutionality (Cruz) fighting among themselves and dividing the rest of the vote. Johnson is a mix of everything and will get nothing. Green Party will pick up some sanders support but no electoral college votes. With sanders and Cruz out, we have crooked establishment vs anti- establishment left. Unless Cruz, Johnson, and trump join forces somehow (unlikely)- the establishment who have already paid thru campaign contributions, will want Hillary in so they can now play. It really is. Pay for play
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Does that mean Heidi Fleiss can't run? Shucks. Carbon Tax The Tax that Isn't A Tax. Then what is it? A money making scam. Paid for by fees corporations could buy these certificados and then if not needed recover that amount by selling them to corporations that needed more exemptions how is that helping the carbon problem? It's not. Is there a carbon probem?: Well maybe in the east where the dirty coal is mined and largely burnt - remember acid rain? But now CFX moves train loads to the West. Why? Al Gore is the reason. The west has the anthracite or cleaner burning coal but All got it locked up. Now why would Al Bore do that?
    Word is when he was forced to sell his tobacco stocks the money went into nearby coal mining.

    Get the picture.

    And that's all there is to the continuing scam of the Carbon Tax.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    8% today and holding steady. Stein is 3% the other two are six percent apart and 8 percent in a two way a long long way from a landslide. Fifty one percent comes first. Landslides come later a long long way later.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The immorality is in any government that makes a profit off the existence and trade in that which they have termed immoral. Or if it is an addictive product or one that destroys people from the inside of their mind and soul out uses it to make a profit. Or willfully endangers it's citizens by allowing the spread or use of those types of dangers. Better they should just shut up and go away - they are not doing their job. Like accepting evil there is no half way nor any lesser of or greater of there is only evil likewise immorality. Such people prey on the weak because they themselves are weak and excuse their victims because they wish to excuse themselves and having allowed everyone to do do it point and say, 'look every one is doing it.' But it's only the weak and those who are conscious and not be conscious cannot be cognizant but only parrot rote the excuses of the weak. But then Oregon has always been a weak state especially now there remain no Oregonians but just Californicators. Your comment brought me to realize Johnson is no more nor any less evil than Clinton. Far to weak to lead a nation. It's what he has done since nominated. Compromise himself while his running mate doesn't reach that high a standard. Let's see if he can refute that in action and deed not in words.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But Gary is the person wanting to have a carbon tax, i.e. impose a minority view on the people by the government. The opposite of what Libertarians espouse. He is pandering, and pandering is a disqualification crime.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They are puddings. English Recipes. A hat trick is winning three of something. Treacle is a cane syrup. York shire pudding is a main menu item the other is dessert.

    Ever so good but really really bad for the arteries still it beats boiling the rest of the kip to death - English style.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Spotted Dog with Treacle or Yorkshire! Here's a positive thought. Living long enough to see Chelsea defeated for a hat trick.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope. I predict Trump by a small but decisive victory. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding will be served in November.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then you should be happy that Johnson and Stein are running. Nearly all polls show Hillary with a smaller lead in a 4-candidate race than in a 2-candidate race.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CEM, We do and as for me I keep seeing him step in it badly unless his agenda is different than the party platform and a good one for the most part but is a podium and lectern with out a candidate at the moment.

    But I stil say don't rush to judgement there is plenty of timie and support the Libertarian Town Hall You won't get much more coverage than that.
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  • Posted by cem4881 8 years, 8 months ago
    I am sadden by the rush to judgement on Gary Johnson. He is the best thing to happen in the public arena for decades, and instead of supporting him he is being trashed by people who love and admire Ayn Rand. I have her portrait on my living room wall and everytime I look at her I am reminded of the courage and intellectual strength I gained from reading her works. I have seen the decline of freedom in the USA over my lifetime, and Gary Johnson represents a true change in direction. You need to support him, and listen to him directly, and respond to him directly. He listens, truly listens and realizes when he makes a mistake. I don't think he has read Ayn Rand so he has arrived at his convictions by himself. Don't read somebody else's opinion of him and take it as your own. Listen to Gary himself.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 8 months ago
    Rand famously called Libertarians "Leebertarian Heepies" and in the 40 or more years since I heard her say that I have seen nothing to convince me that she was wrong. I've tried being involved in Libertarian stuff. Dashed hopes or worse every time.

    Thieves. "Me-too" people. "Yes, but please not Rand" people. Theocrats.

    The revolution must be intellectual, but the politicians generally will not be. Has anyone tried comparing the flawed Mr. Trump with the flawed Henry Rearden? My wife spotted Trump-as-Rearden over a year ago.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I knew there was something that gave me pause LB. Thanks for the reminder. Now if it were a Consitutional Republic Party built on Objective Principles I would be very interested.
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  • Posted by mspalding 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They were nominated by the majority of the tiny minority of people who flew to Florida for the convention.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 8 months ago
    During the Olympics I was looking for my book on judo dynamics. When I pulled it from the shelf, a pamphlet sized thing fell out. I had it shoved there about 30 years ago due to have had a knee jerk reaction to its hard hit on something Rand believed and a base for libertarianism. So I read it again and what a difference 30 years made on that knee jerk. So I recommend it to both libertarians and Objectivists with analytical minds.
    "The Myth of Natural Rights" by L.A. Rollins (1983).
    Some libraries may have it in book form in "The Myth of Natural Rights and Other Essays, which has the politically incorrect letter to Allah. I noticed that all the libraries near me have discarded it in this era of PC or maybe out of fear.
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