Seasteading is foolish. A biblical rhyme gives us the basis for that logical conclusion.

The wise man built his house upon the rock.

Obama is a student of Alinsky, and Alinsky is Karl Marx of American Progressive movement. Of course, Alinsky himself is no philosopher, but a translator of Marx and Engels for the American market. In any case, his "teachings" in fact do boil down to destroying the capitalist system through anarchy, which will eventually lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat. Obama is not disconnected from the Progressives. And, yes, anarchy is a required step towards their goal. Within that viewpoint, the continual lawlessness of the administration makes perfect sense. It is not a result of incompetence (although in some cases there's plenty of that), but a planned approach towards their goal.

I'm not a gunsmith, but I have done a tiny bit of trigger work for smoothness and have done a bit of reloading as well--I always wanted to learn pottery making (have done some sculpting, but a kiln is hard to find lately). Will barter be used in Atlantis? I hope it will--I'm sure I have some solid skills to trade for a pottery course.

I am not that big a target yet that it won't be obvious that others will have been cracked down on first ... unless they discover my Post-It Notes.

Personally, I dig the element of surprise: Ah. =)

Ok, I'll stop now.

Speaking of your periodic element reference. Did you some women are made of Copper & Tellurium? How is that? Because they are CuTe?

:)

Yes, I too have some Au, Ag and some Cu. The problem is, you can only carry so much of it. Anyone who believes (italics here) nothing (end italics) can move people out of their home & property better take another look at what happened to the well-to-do folks and their property during the Russian revolution, the French revolution, the Cuban revolution & the Chinese revolution. Spoiler alert: they lost it all.

It is a good idea to be somewhat mobile & be able to pack & carry the most important things in a quick enough time (under 12 hours) & have an alternate place to go, in case America's standing army: the DHS, starts encroaching due to an elistist-manufactured "crisis" e.g., the border with Mexico and your home is in certain danger. Just my .02.

Thanks for the reminder of "change you can believe in". I had actually forgotten that tripe. On the day after Obama got elected, I demonstrated that it wasn't change I could believe in by investing my "change" in Au. For a while, that WAS change I could believe in. It still hasn't been a bad investment overall.

Unfortunately and undoubtedly, there will be more nails, but that executive order was the final necessary nail.

Border patrol will be a critical aspect of Atlantis life, stargeezer. You will have much to do.

I think Obama is, in the name of "doing something," deliberately ignoring the Supreme Court. I don't believe that his fellow Progressives really yearn for anarchism here. So I suggest we educate ourselves as to precisely what Obama has done wrong, and what he has done right (if anything). Then we should write and talk as often as we possibly can, in as many venues as are appropriate to us as individuals, about impeaching this wayward President.

See also EO 11051. Directive 10-289 lives. jbrenner says it all in his first sentence. When the next attack happens, IMHO, it will be the end of the dollar and much of what you and I call "American way of life." will also end. Yep, change you can believe in.

I can't argue with one word of that.

How about a potter who is also a gunsmith, certified depot level armorer and small arms weapons expert. I also raise wonderful, non-gmo tomatoes.

There are people experimenting with "Seasteading" and maybe something good will come out of it, although I have my doubts about their approach. They seem to have a limited view by trying to get away from state taxes and regulations, while being fully under the thumb of the federal government. They really should start by buying an island somewhere, completely free and clear of any other country's control. I would think that for the right price some poor country may want to divest itself of a few square miles of useless (to them) territory. Make it a complete capitalist system and see it become a trade center for the world and one of the richest square miles on earth!

My goal is to make a Caribbean version of the Gulch ... at least for part of the year.

You will be most welcome, katrinam41.

And I almost missed an interesting point, scojohnson, - are you writing your own constitution or are you interpreting the US Constitution in the same way as Obama? -- " it comes down to the right of the police officer or the national guardsmen to go home and see their own families." Is this "right" an article in the Constitution that we have all missed? I am aware of rights of freedom and personal property, as codified in the Constitution, but I am not aware of a "right" of police officer or guardsmen to go home to their families, for which you have seemingly traded our other, unalienable rights.

Is there room for an older lady who knows how to grow non-hybrid vegetables, raise chickens, milk a cow, hunt and ride, to name a few of my talents? jbrenner, I may be getting a bit creaky, but I refuse to leave my mind to this encroaching horror. If I can't get to Atlantis, I will become one of the many who retreat into the safely of the mind--and will just hope it stays a safe place until the day I can once more see a country of reason.

Thank you, well put!

So, here's the problem - we are now just as socialist as the Soviet Union was before its demise. In three generations of socialist training, the typical Russian is now, even after 20 years, absolutely convinced that the government must tell them what to do, how to do it and to take care of all. The slave mentality has been bred into the gene pool. Aren't we doing the same?

Hmmm. I actually agree more with MAK than with Strugatsky: Crash early, crash lighter, get it over with and beat the rush!
I think that saying that there will not be 'any' of a younger generation who are competent an who have a clue is an expression of frustration rather than reality. I think that there are many capable, productive and realistic young people - it is just not a high percentage of that population. I think that many of them would adapt to crisis by adopting useful productive philosophies. One of the things that I have observed with folks who are much younger than I is that they have been raised in a very buffered environment. There is little cause-and-effect in their lives. One has to have an innate philosophical version of 'street smarts' to see through the BS without having had any actual contact with reality. (I occasionally muse that there is nothing wrong with many folk that spending a couple of years working on a cattle ranch or on a farm would not fix: They are actually drifting in a nihilistic universe where nothing they do makes more than a vague theoretical difference.)

The Depression did not destroy the US, but it did set the philosophical tone for two generations. Perhaps one of the reasons that the Administration fights so hard to mitigate a new depression is that they fear a turnover of philosophy should we run out of bread-and-circuses and have to face reality.

Jan