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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Clancy had a number of solutions in his books but are there any Jack Ryans these days. I doubt it. More like Ed Kealty's who had to be patterned after Bubba Billy. in detail. I wonder what Clancy died of so young and int he same year as Vince ??
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He would almost be ok as far as I'm concerned, except as I recall he's anti-military and complete isolationalist. If he was president in 1940 I guess Hitler would have won.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I'm hoping for Keifer Sutherland, who has a new show this fall where he suddenly becomes president as some low level cabinet member due to a catestrophic attack on the Capitol during a State of the Union address ! :)
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes ! And this is EXACTLY what has happened, from k-12 teacher's unions fighting charter schools to higher academia where a COMMUNICATIONS professor is video taped saying " get this reporter out of here!"
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll give another book suggestion - Term Limits by Vince Flynn. Although in today's gun control atmosphere it would easily be seen as controversial. I'm surprised it hasnt been declared illegal yet and taken off the shelves ! ( kidding. sort of.)
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  • Posted by sailfast 8 years, 7 months ago
    Josef Dzhugashvili- Stalin said, " It's not who votes, it's who counts the votes.
    And
    Vladimir Ulyanov- Lenin said, " you will never defeat their armies, you would never get past the Hudson River. But you don't have to.
    Simply take over their education and their media (newspapers).
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago
    I think I am ready to just give up on the USA if one of the VP candidates or someone else gets to be president. What a mess that would be. As it is, the country is divided and probably would do better to divide itself and let the divided people slowly move into their respective territories, or just not be subject to the whims of the other party.
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  • Posted by lynchpen 8 years, 7 months ago
    If people demand of Congress appointment of a fiscally responsible and anti-Fed president, then Ron Paul will be chosen.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And as I recall there was a lot of talk about the validity of JFK's election. It seemed that his margin of victory depended on the dead people of Chicago all voting for him - and amazingly enough they did ;-) So maybe it's since Ike?
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As near as I can tell, it's the NEW House of Representatives which does the voting so the existing Republican majority is an issue.
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  • Posted by brkssb 8 years, 7 months ago
    Recommended reading:
    Coonts, Stephen; LIBERTY'S LAST STAND
    And a comment: either the election is rigged, or if there is a scenario requiring senate and house involvement, we will never have a duly elected president again. (Not that I believe we have had a duly elected president since JFK.)
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, as I said Biden's term ends on January 20 along with Obama. While not subject to the 2 term/10 year prohibition, the Vice President follows the same term lengths as the President. It would travel down the chain of succession until a valid office holder is found to take temporary control of the presidency until a higher successor becomes valid per the 20th amendment. The Vice Presidenct is effectively just a placeholder position in case of the incapacitation of the current President. Sure, they are President of the Senate, but their power there is relatively limited to being a tie-breaker vote, which is an extremely unlikely occurrence in today's partisan climate.
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  • Posted by Stormi 8 years, 7 months ago
    What happens if Hillary is hauled off to the loonie
    bin the week of the election? How does that play out? What if Hillary wins, then is arrested? What happens then? We know Obama is not honorable, so we cannot count on anything but chaos with him. Soros will stir up trouble, no matter who wins, until he does.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 7 months ago
    The House of Representatives, with each State delegation voting as a bloc, picks the President out of the top three vote-getters. And the Senate picks the Vice-President from between the two two vote-getters.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 7 months ago
    Let's just hope it does not happen. If you think we've got problems now, ain't nuthin' compared to what can possibly happen in that scenario.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The way I read it, if congress can't decide, the sitting VP is Pres, and the congress votes for his VP from the VP candidates. Biden isn't under the 2 term/10 year limit.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it would be either Pence or Kaine as acting President, if the Senate decides but the House doesn't before inauguration day. Biden's term ends with Obama's term. If both houses of Congress fail by inauguration day, then the Speaker of the House is acting President.

    The problem comes in if the whole system is thrown into chaos and the election results for Congress is also delayed beyond January 3rd (their 'inauguration' day) and no decision is made be either house because then the House is effectively out power and about a third of the Senate is as well. Some legal scholars claim the remaining 2/3 are also lame, so even the President Pro Tempe of the Senate is also vacant. Though Cabinet members customarily resign when an administration changes, they are allowed to continue until replaced, so one of Obama's Cabinet could become Acting President unless there was a petition to the Supreme Court to make a constitutional decision.
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  • Posted by mec4cdlic 8 years, 7 months ago
    The 20th Amendment section 3 details that if no one is qualified by the Jan 20 date for the new Pres to take office, Congress has the authority to set up the succession. Congress has set it up in Title 3 of the United States Code, chapter 1, section 19 - basically the Speaker of the House is next in line but it details all the way down the chain of who takes precedence over whom.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 7 months ago
    As others have pointed out, it is mostly spelt out in the 12th and 20th Amendments. But the process works like this:

    (1) The Electoral College votes separately for a President and a Vice President. There is only one round of voting for each, and it takes a majority to win. (The 12th does not give a date, so Congress sets the date the vote is held.)

    (2) If there is no majority for President, the new House of Representatives (seated January 3) chooses a President from among the top three electoral vote getters for President. For this vote special rules apply -- a quorum is representatives from 2/3 of the states; each state gets one vote, determined by a majority of its representatives; and it takes a majority of all the states to win.

    (3) Similarly, if there is no majority for VP, the new Senate chooses a Vice President from between the top two electoral vote getters for VP. For this vote a quorum is 2/3 of the Senators, and it takes a majority of all the Senators to win.

    (4) If a President is not chosen before his term must begin on January 20, or he has died or failed to qualify, the Vice President elect becomes president.

    (5) The 20th Amendment grants Congress the power to determine by law what happens if a VP elect has died or failed to qualify, or if any of the persons from whom the House may choose a President or the Senate a VP have died before a vote may be taken. But Congress has never exercised these powers.

    I expect what would happen in these last cases is that Congress would enact such a law and the outgoing president (or after noon 1/20, a Speaker of the House become temporary president) would sign it.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If an Elector were to do this again, it would make the LP candidate eligible for consideration. The House chooses from among the top three candidates receiving electoral votes, even if the third-place candidate receives only one electoral vote.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless the VP elect is trapped in the same deadlock then it's the Speaker of The House etc.

    But it makes demanding a VP Candidate that is more than a vote getting clown.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Traditionally those were chosen by the States. I've seen them on ballots though but ALL of then are chosen by the parties which generally means The Republican half or the Democrat half of the Government Party. The idea of campaigning for that job never took hold but if we have to have it why not? You might ask your local elections officials if you can register to run for electoral college in your state.....and let us know what happened.
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