Interior Dept. shutting down mining in 10 states

Posted by ewv 8 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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From the Congressional House Natural Resources Committee. This action by an Obama political appointee, the Secretary of the Interior, shows the importance of which party is in the White House regardless of what you think of the president himself. Democrats since Clinton-I have appointed radical viros to run the government.

According to Mark Levin there are almost 4,000 political appointees assigned by the president and those he appoints to do the radical appointing. That is in addition to those they hire to be entrenched in the protected civil service. It is also in addition to Federal judges, about 40% of which have now been appointed by Obama. Another eight years of this means a nearly complete loss of control over how the Federal government functions for what political purposes, regardless of what Congress does or what new laws are passed making it worse.


USGS Study Reveals Extensive Impacts of Obama Administration’s War on Mineral Development

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 7, 2016
CONTACT: Parish Braden, Elise Daniel or Molly Block (202) 226-9019

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Secretary of the Interior (DOI) Sally Jewell is developing controversial plans to cordon off approximately 10 million acres of federal lands located in Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah and Wyoming from mineral development. The withdrawals are one plank of the Obama administration's broader regulatory scheme to create a de-facto Endangered Species Act listing for the sage grouse. Earlier this week, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) released an 800-page assessment of mineral potential within each state subject to potential future withdrawals.

House Committee on Natural Resources Chairman Rob Bishop (R-UT) issued the following statement:

“This assessment shows significant negative impacts for western states if these withdrawals proceed. But let’s not miss the forest for the trees. Despite successful species conservation efforts at the state level, and a finding last year that listing the bird under the Endangered Species Act is not warranted, the Obama administration wants total regulatory control and a much more permanent trophy for litigious environmental groups. Along with oppressive land use plans covering parts of 10 states—with restrictions for all types of economic activities—these withdrawals have the potential to be even more punitive and damaging to energy producers and rural economies than an endangered finding. This is a de-facto listing and then some. USGS’s report is small snapshot of the pain to come. This issue will require continued oversight even after the Obama administration is finally gone. Blocking mineral development by another executive fiat is inexcusable, and the Committee will be sure to keep a close eye on it.

“Secretary Salazar told the states they should adopt sage grouse protection plans and they would be accepted. States have spent time and money to create good plans. The current Secretary is now reneging on that promise. The state plans work and the department’s proposal does not. The department’s proposal hurts military preparedness and military ranges in the West, a fact that has never been taken into consideration.”

Background:

At a minimum, the USGS report suggests the withdrawal of such a massive area could have significant negative impacts to nearly 1.3 million acres of moderate to high resource potential. The withdrawal could also affect over 7,000 mining claims across several Western states, including Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Oregon, Wyoming and Montana.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes that was clear. You should know that the Libertarian Party has been at odds with Ayn Rand and her ideas for a very long time. It's also at odds with and irrelevant to anyone working to make a difference in politics and affecting government policy. The Libertarian Party slogans here claiming that the solution to the attacks on mining and the Federal lands controversy in particular is to vote for their fringe party is nonsensical.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The viro movement is worse than subjugation of the masses in the old Marxist style, they are misanthropic nihilists sacrificing humanity as such to nature worship.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was only laughing at LP promoters in the Gulch being called trolls.
    They may take offense at me finding that tag funny but it is the unexpected that creates humor albeit intentional or not.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 6 months ago
    Now, I realize how much BHO hates America. I wonder if his children will be able to get a job in a crippled America. The federal govt. should not own that much land. The states should be landowners, and then sold to industries for mineral rights. There are state laws in place to for reclamation after mining. Environmentalists have to much influence in the fed gov't which in turn motivates such a fed agenda.
    Wait for it, the peoples uprising and the next Civil War which will not be stopped!
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you working with the Pacific Legal Foundation against the attack on mining? Have you contacted Bishop's committee staff with the details of your case?
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish it were funny. They have become annoying pests disrupting and polluting the thread with Cargo Cult politics imitating the major parties' throwing out anti-intellectual repetitive sound-bites dreamed up in advance as rationalizations. Ayn Rand denounced the Libertarians for good reason and they have lived up (down) to it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "LP trolls." That's funny.
    There have been times when the moderators have been cool with me so I'll just be cool with them.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the extensive replies. You are clearly versed in the western public land issues.

    In our specific case, the value of the patented claims is impacted both by the scale effect you mentioned - high grade gold bearing veins strike off of the old patenteds in both directions on to public land and we had control of both the patented and unpatended claims to prove up sufficient resource to justify capital expenditures. However, the unpatenteds were taken by the mineral withdrawal. Now technically they say we could proceed with our approved Plan of Operations, but any data acquired by drilling after the segregation date is not admissible. Who the hell is going to invest millions in drilling if you can't use the data? With investors fleeing away as fast as they could, we lost our financing to keep leases on the properties and so we lost control of the claims. And all time and money invested to date is lost. And the Judge says there was no immediate and irreparable harm. Department of Justice, my ass.

    That part of the Sage Grouse LUPA's called "Travel Management" is shutting down the numerous roads that provide that very right of access to mining claims, patented or not. They are redefining existing roads as those maintained by motorized equipment only. Two track roads that have a plant covered median are not roads and will not be allowed to travel upon or improved by motorized equipment.

    Years ago, during Son of Sage in the 1990's, I met Cliven Bundy several times. He is a good man, perhaps not slickly articulate, but is proud and independent. I remember him sitting in the shade of a pinion tree after the events of Jefferson Canyon were winding down, and he was loudly proclaiming "But, we are producers!"

    Ah, how fundamental it all is.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My posts are in response to things you have posted in your own thread, so they are on topic in that respect.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your second paragraph is off topic by your own standard. Either you're inviting a response to that second paragraph or you're not. If so, can you complain if the response is equally "off topic"? If not, why are you posting on a subject you yourself claim is "off-topic"?
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everything you post repetitiously promoting the LP is off topic. If you understood the original post in anything but libertarian floating abstractions you would know that. But no, it's repeated "your vote doesn't count so vote for me".
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    Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everything you post repetitiously promoting the LP is off topic. If you understood the original post in anything but libertarian floating abstractions you would know that. But no, it's repeated "your vote doesn't count so vote for me".
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The moderators should 'hide' the entire off topic branches promoting the Libertarian Party as irrelevant to the thread. It should be 'downvoted' for what it is, in addition to the refutations that the LP trolls evade.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The entire Libertarian Party publicity here is irrelevant to the thread that you are hijacking. You do not respond to my posts refuting your rationalizations. You ignore most of it with repetitious sophistry.

    Throwing away a vote to the LP publicity seeking instead of voting in the election between Trump and Clinton is a sacrifice to LP fantasy.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The purpose of the election is to determine who will be president of the country, not to indulge in "getting votes" for publicity for a fringe party with contradictory 'sound-bites' and no impact on public policy and the trend of the country.

    Weld and Johnson are flakes from the past of 'liberal' Republicans and cannot even begin to articulate a philosophy of individual freedom, let alone claim to be spokesmen or serious candidates. Their attempted 'big draw' is ignorance of foreign policy and pandering to pot heads. None of it is related to the topic of the thread hijacked by LP publicity seekers now claiming to be appealing to the left in the name of whatever it is they think libertarianism is.
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  • -1
    Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This topic is far more serious than analogies with generalities from the 18th century connected with the American Revolution, and it is much more widespread and serious than Obama as stand in for the king. It has been building for decades -- ultimately since the early progressives of the late 19th century -- under the influence of the viro movement for the last 50 years, and predominantly imposed by Democrats in the White House and Congress. King George could not have dreamed of the nihilistic ideology and destruction of the viro eco-fascists.

    This is no abstraction only threatening as it waits for implementation in a bad trend, they are destroying people now as personally described by the forum's own Flootus5 on this same page https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Show me where my posts have been off-topic to the posts of yours that I was responding to.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Show me where my posts have been off-topic to the posts of yours that I was responding to.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In addition to killing the mining claims on unowned Federal land, how did they destroy the value of the private property planned for mining? Blocking access? Devaluing by isolating it from the necessary economic scale? Direct intervention by land use prohibition?

    These problems with mixed ownership patterns between private property and private claims on Federal land are common in the west and show up repeatedly with ranching on the range.

    The original claims to private property in the 19th century west were too limited in size to be economically feasible on the dry lands in the west, leaving a patchwork of private land with grazing leases on adjoining Federal land where private property was later prohibited outright by the progressives, even though there are remnants of grazing and water rights without owning the land outright.

    The viros are destroying what is left by harassing the ranchers -- the American Cowboy they are out to destroy -- through "fees", denial of access, permit cancellations, abusive direct harassment through legal persecution and threats as illustrated by the Hage and more recent Hammond cases, direct prohibitions invoking "protection" of non-human "species", etc. Viros activists in their pressure group lobby, their activist legal sharks, and entrenched activist agency officials are throwing everything they can at the ranchers to destroy them, yet it is rarely discussed in public or reported.

    It blew up with the Bundy revolt but even that is exploited by the viro progressives to demonize the victims by tying everyone opposed to them to the Bundy threat of violence when they snapped under the ceaseless pressure.

    The Republican House Resources Committee under Bob Bishop understands this. So does the Clinton mafia on the other side. Most of the public, including those claiming to be activists for freedom, knows nothing about it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just looked around and someone (not me) is down voting libertarian campaigners
    A stealth fighter shares this sky!.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Show me where my posts have been off-topic to the posts of yours that I was responding to.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Speaking just for myself, I have not downvoted anyone on this thread, even though I have been downvoted several times. And I did not initiate any “hijacking”. Every post of mine but one was in response to a post of yours and was on topic to that post, and the remaining post was a response to a post by another member and was on topic to that post.

    And I do not expect anyone to sacrifice themselves for anything, nor have I seen anyone else on this thread say that they expect anyone to do so.
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    Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your repetitive off-topic posts do not contribute to this thread. The reasons for rejecting your rationalist slogans have been explained many times.
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    Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your repetitive off-topic posts do not contribute to this thread. The reasons for rejecting your rationalist slogans have been explained many times.
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