Hi. My name is... Robert Smith

Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: Introductions
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I'm very happy to have landed in the Gulch... I hope to get some insights for when I watch and discuss the movie.

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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The true point is that you never really met a CEO that you liked.

    They are all Daddy Warbucks in the World According to Bobo.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rob, for a great read on why government employee unions are a huge problem, I encourage you to check out Thomas Sowell (Nobel prize-winning economist) or Dan Mitchell. In a market negotiation, both parties have a value proposition and negotiate to achieve value for their respective side where each has a cost and benefit, The problem with government unions is that the wage negotiation process takes place between the government workers and elected officials, but the taxpayers - who actually foot the bill - are left out! This makes it very easy for the elected officials to collude with the government unions and promise them more money in exchange for votes even though the costs are being born by the unrepresented taxpayer. So I completely agree with Rocky_Road - government unions are a very bad idea.

    One of the best examples of this are charter schools vs public schools. The charter schools are directly funded by the parents of the students and if their performance doesn't match up with the fees, the student goes elsewhere. Not so with public schools - thus the huge backlash in public debate on the issue. The teachers' unions don't want to be accountable for their results and haven't been since their inception - seeking only to guarantee jobs for teachers while ignoring the students' needs. This - and the drop in parental involvement - have directly contributed to the decline in education here in the United States.
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  • Posted by Bobthefirst 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Read the text of the article that you posted, and you will find that it was all speculation. "... creditors SUSPECT..." "...MAY HAVE "manipulated"...". Furthermore, the speculation was not instigated by Dow Jones, but by the unions, as other posters have informed you. The text you posted says so in the last line - "according to a redacted court filing REVIEWED by Dow Jones."

    There was rampant speculation by the Union. The speculation was reported by Dow Jones, but that does not translate to Dow Jones believing that Hostess did anything wrong, they are simply reporting the fact that the Union is hurling accusations - that were proven baseless - at Hostess executives.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Looks like a few have found a place to mine for points. I wonder, is it like a contract where they automatically swap for each other and thumbs down as a group?

    Rob
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've seen her! she is good. I'm with non-mooch. take the comedian. she's made some choices without a union, looks like it worked pretty well for her. On the other hand, you might become an Objectivist when we're through with you. ah, the power of knowledge, persuasion and choice.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As truncated as this thread has become, it would probably be easier to just get your hands on a copy of Das Kapital. ;-)
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yup, it should work as you say in a perfect environment. However, it ain't a perfect world and suggesting that employees shouldn't work together for better circumstances impinges upon their freedom.

    Rob
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you suggesting that doctors in the military, working for charity hospitals, and organizations like "Doctors Without Borders" and on the Hope just ain't rational?

    Rob
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have. I do daily. I don't understand your comments. How can you possibly know the world in which I live??? I face reality. I don't hope for someone else to fix my problems. If I want something to change, I change it. It it not the same as a genetic disorder. There is not a fix for that obviously. You are not using logic; A=A
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The point is that it wasn't just "The Union" that was to blame. The executives made quite a mess while lining their pockets.

    What's going on today is completely different.

    Rob
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "It's amazing how generous many people really are by choice, without the government forcing this upon them."

    Shriner's Hospitals are an excellent example, again where doctors and staff aren't in it just for the money and a lot of kids are helped.

    Rob
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  • Posted by TWOBerry 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm still looking for Boborobdos's original post. My email address: twoberry at comcast dot net. Would you please email me a link to that original post? It's not hard to see what Robert's point of view is, but I'd still like to see the original arguments. Thanks.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I saw a comedian a few years ago with Parkinson's disease. She was shaking on the stage and said something along the lines of, "Sure I got choices... I wanna be a brain surgeon." "

    With your example, you just managed to piss in your Post Toasties!

    She was disabled, but had the gumption to find a way to make a living nonetheless.

    No government entity did this for her...and no union demanded that she be able to perform on stage.

    Throw out your Piss Toasties, and look for an example that actually supports your entitlement view of the world....
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  • Posted by Jb32828 11 years, 8 months ago
    Quote: No we can not agree. Individuals have absolutely zero power in negotiations with corporations. Why do you object to an equal playing field?

    Maybe in the world of unskilled or "experienced" labor. As a high level network engineer I have no problem negotiating pay with any corporation for our mutual benefit. And I typically win. I have never seen anyone who is capable of solving complex problems at extremely high levels who is out of work or underpaid.
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