Any Democrat Objectivists?

Posted by unitedlc 8 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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Is it possible for a strict Objectivist to truly be a Democrat? In my opinion it would be difficult for an Objectivist to be a staunch Republican, but to be a Democrat seems impossible. Libertarian seems to me to fit with the philosophy the best. I do understand that Objectivism deals with rational pursuit of self interest, so being a Democrat could be construed as pursuing self interest; but it is also my understanding that it must not be at the forced expense of others' liberty or property. Thoughts?


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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago
    What is a "strict" Objectivist? Either it's Objectivism or it isn't. Objectivism is a philosophy, not a political position or political party. It is incompatible with any kind of statism, anarchism, or anti-philosophical anti-intellectualism. None of the Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian parties "fit" with Ayn Rand's ideas. You may or may not find particular positions in any group which are acceptable, but joining a political party to be a "true" or "staunch" party member is not.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Being "conservative" is not the criterion. Ayn Rand was not a conservative.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are a few BlueDogs out there that fit some of the bill for sure. They just can't get away from that desire for bringing people down to make the low feel higher... even if sometimes it is themselves that they are bringing down.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 4 months ago
    Haha...joining the Dem party for self interest(?) I see your twist there. I remember thinking about this when I was fairly new to Objectivism. Why can't I just do whatever is good for me if I know it harms the herd? The key word is "reasonable" self interest, though.

    Interesting question, Unitedic... And, I do happen to know an old-school Dem who is just a hair away from being an Objectivist. His views (he's also old-school Catholic) on altruism don't match mine. But, he's damn close.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While the originally founded Jackson Democrats did follow a lot of conservative views, it was still the party that supported slavery. Slavery is, in my mind, the most negatively correlated issue to Objectivism. The Democrats have always supported slavery in some way or another. Whether it was the original forced immigrant labor or todays forced welfare financing from creators, it has always been the "way of the democrat".
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  • Posted by mminnick 8 years, 4 months ago
    Pick your definition of Democrat. If you are talking about the current group of Democrats, then the answer is NO. going back to the Truman type Democrat, perhaps. Going back to the founding of the Democrat part. YES.
    Todays Democrat would not be at home in the Truman era part of any other except the FDR time period.
    The Democrat party should change its name to the Progressive-Liberal party. Call itself what it really is. Most of its current members do so in private.
    Applying the standards set form in "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas shrugged", the current democrats are not and never will be objectivists. Even the best of them and there are a few decent Dems, are not Creators but Looters. They want to take from those who create and give to those who won't or can't create. (There are very few of the latter, most can create, but just want it given to them on a platter/.)
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