The Most Dangerous Game

Posted by Seer 8 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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I wondered if any Gulchers had ever read this short story by Richard Connell. I read it (in my "younger days") and found it to be a thought provoking essay on human conflict and human nature. I wonder if the American vs Russian adversaries are allegorical as respects capitalism vs. communism.


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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago
    It's not about the game. It's about reversal of fortune. The idea that all could change, especially when you're feeling good about yourself and what you've done. The minute you get the big head, unseen powers will collapse it on you. In other words, don't count your chicks before they've hatched, don't think your invincible, don't get cocky!
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All I can say is My God!

    I can also say anyone who can not, or will not, judge another, even himself, has not the prerogative to tell me what's right and what's wrong!
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good one. Another way of putting it is that competition becomes an end in itself.

    You might ask then why kill the prey, if it's only about the game. The answer is, that in this way the prey, because his very survival is at stake, will use all wits at his command, and unrelentingly. Sorta like the Courtarena duel in "The Dosadi Experiment" by Frank Herbert.
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  • Posted by Stormi 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Funny how I got possession of one such exercise, which kids had been told not to take home to parents. I paid someone to steal a copy! So much for morality. They had observations such a a nun was the first they were to give up, as she would never reproduce for a new society. A woman was validated fro selling sex to get a boat ride to another island to join her husband, who was then condemned for his disapproval of it. It was interesting how they assigned values to the people on the island, as to who might be sacrificed for food first, etc. So much for teaching academics, it was like "Lord of the Flies" in training! This was values clarification per a health teacher.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zaroff had no motive, no objective for his hunt, other than to play the "game".

    There was a quote in one of my cipher puzzle books, can't remember the author, but he says pretty soon, it becomes all about the game, and not necessarily about the object.
    It could work for anything: a business, a football game, politics...
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just read the Wikipedia synopsis. In the same vein, except the tribesmen had a motive for their pursuit; it wasn't just about the game. I think it might be called revenge.
    I believe Connell's story is about the "game" itself. Maybe that's why it interested me more than just a tale of men after men.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Think as if you were the hunter, not the hunted, that's what you mean, isn't it.
    "The Naked Prey" sounds interesting. I'll look up the synopsis.
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  • Posted by preimert1 8 years, 3 months ago
    I've never read that particular story before, but it was well done. I've seen the theme of being hunted by a seemingly implacable foe expressed in a number of other stories: several episodes of Star Trek, "The Naked Prey" (Cornel Wilde 1965), "Terminator" come to mind. I have also experienced it in dreams where sometimes I prevailed and sometimes where my only escape was to force myself awake in a cold sweat. It seems to be a common dream (problem biting you in the ass.) In most instances the "hero" defeats the hunter, who is usually in control--sometimes complacent--by thinking outside the box to beat the hunter at his own game.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I live in Colorado Springs. Use your imagination! I hear it is being marketed here---alcohol with an infusion of marijuana. Actually, they're putting weed in everything now.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting, isn't it, that an ideology (Leftist/Liberal) that embraces relative morality, chooses to instruct the young in morals?
    I'm pretty sure the kids are taught that as long as it is for "the greater good" then it is moral.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right, and I was waiting for someone to bring that up. Nevertheless, he could be symbolic of what may have been (erroneously) perceived as a Russian view of the world. You do know that Cossacks fought on both sides in World War II? Some for Hitler, some for Stalin, depending I think on whose ideology seemed the more pernicious to each of them.
    I didn't see the "normalizing" --whatever that means--of brutality and cruelty. On the one side, there was a man, a human, bored with hunting prey that were no longer challenging. In a way, for him, the sport was no longer satisfying, so to improve the risk-taking, perhaps, he could feel he had only accomplished his end (the pleasure of the hunt and outwitting the prey) by pursuing an animal on his own level.
    On the other side, there is a man whose only end was in surviving. So the question becomes, who is more likely to expend energy in using the most efficient means of "winning." Whose drives, whose ability to reason is going to outwit the other's?
    I didn't see "brutality" as such. It was all about the game for Zaroff. The game became the end, not vanquishing the prey.
    There are men who play the game for the "play" itself, as well as for its objective. The fulfillment of those drives evolved of necessity.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One was infused with onions and garlic. The other was with orange berries. They looked just like a similar vodka orange berry drink I had in Finland. The Fins told me those berries only grew in Finland. The Russian scientist said that was nonsense and he was growing them in VT.
    The onion one was ok but not my favorite, as much as I like onions and garlic, but the berry one was great.
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  • Posted by Stormi 8 years, 3 months ago
    Oh yes, we read this in school in the 1960s. We were very philosophical, having studied Latin and their philosophers. By the time this sory came up, it was not about nationalities, but rather the inner men in the story, right vs wrong and if it was absolute. It made me aware early on that people could not be trusted on face value, and that the "kindness of strangers" could just as quickly become reversed.I learned I was more open to the killing of humans than the killing of animals, something, that had not been apparent before. Kids in government schools today are given exercises in heath class, very similar in the name of "values clarification". In those exercises they are faced with what morality they would break and how to chose the lives which mattered vs those to be left to die. Of course, it all has the liberal take on who matters.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 3 months ago
    Since the general was a member of the Tsar's military, I hardly think he was communist, so the story is probably not meant as an allegory of communism/capitalism conflict. I've seen similar tales where the protagonist is a former member of the German Kaiser's army. Given that, I believe the allegory is more about how otherwise civilized people can normalize brutality and cruelty, since both of those military entities had a well-earned reputation for committing atrocities.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Infused vodka is regular commercial vodka with various fruit syrups added. The syrup dilutes the vodka somewhat, but the sweetness makes it more palatable. I have never heard of any drugs added to vodka - that would be an American invention.
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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a very well spoken conversation. I'm not that smart.

    There are many examples of the hunter becoming the hunted. I recall a movie called Master and Commander, when Lucky Jack, the captain of and English vessel, was trying to lure in the greatly superior French merchant vessel. The ships doctor noted to Jack, "you are the hunter, Jack."
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I tried to get my husband to read "The Cowboy and The Cossack" because I liked it so much, but the author's name turned him off. He was sure it would be effeminate.

    Infused with what? Marijuana? Doesn't sound good/
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have heard of this book. I think my cousin mentioned it to me years ago.

    I have several Russian friends. Two very close friends around here, as well as a young woman that worked for me at one of our divisions a while ago. I was her mentor for a year in our mentorship program.
    My good close Russian friend introduced me to a Russian immigrant who was a senior person in the Russian space agency. We visited him in VT. We had to drink some infused vodka before we could talk. I am a pro-drinker, so this was just fine. He was explaining a technique he was skilled in a wrote books on to solve problems, any problems. I was skeptical, but did some research when I got back. He was explaining TRIZ, which I find very cool.
    In my experience, Russians are pretty sharp people. I hypothesize they have honed analytical skills due to the more limited computing resources they had (perhaps there are other reasons as well). They seem like hard working, smart people to me, of course, my cross section is small.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I apologize. I did jump to the wrong conclusion, I think. I forever feel that the Russians, ALL of the Russians, need defending as they have been so much maligned by the West, even though they have been through so much sorrow, and yet have overcome debilitating oppression.
    A book you might enjoy is "The Cowboy and the Cossack" by Claire Huffaker.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Communication is to convey a point from one's head to another's. Using characterizations is a convenient means to illustrate points, particularly in writing where body language is absent.
    This is where I initially learned of the Cossack peoples, and no doubt it did set an initial impression on me at age 14. Even then I was not so naive to believe an entire peoples could be characterized so narrowly. However, I am no longer 14, and have evaluated Cossacks, muslims, christians, well-meaning liberals, republicans, libertarians and others quite thoroughly.

    I am disappointed "naivete" popped up so early. It is an inappropriate word for you to use about me based on our handful of interactions here.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I hope you haven't characterized all Cossacks by what you read in this short story. Don't take me wrong here, but I wonder if you have a certain naivete as regards what you read and how you allow that to characterize a person or a people.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 4 months ago
    That is where I learned what a Cossack was. Great short story. Done over several times in film.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Except that mathematics doesn't give you much insight into human nature. And it is knowledge of that nature that is the deciding factor.
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  • Posted by mminnick 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I bet the Donald has read some on Game theory and economic behavior. Or his advisors have. If not the mathematical version then the applied "people" versions
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