Grammar and spelling

Posted by minesayn 8 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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While I do not always write grammatically correct and have the occasional spelling error or typo, it still bothers me to see it in articles and posts. The question is this: does it bother others, and if so, does it lower your opinion of the author and the subject at hand?


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  • Posted by JuliBMe 8 years, 3 months ago
    I am guilty of grammar and punctuation errors, I'm sure pretty frequently. I HATED grammar in elementary school, so I did not pay attention as I probably should have. These and other errors are seen a lot more online due to the fact that the speed of information has eliminated the gate-keeper editors. While the occasional error does not bother me while reading, yes, if an author consistently makes an error that I notice, it does effect (affect? LOL!) my opinion of the piece. If, however, the author is compelling in their overall thought, I will almost always overlook the occasional error.
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  • Posted by andrewtroy 8 years, 3 months ago
    This post reminds me of a conversation I had with my daughters years ago as the new generation of e-mails and texting was exploding onto the scene. They started texting with "changed" certain words to make them shorter, such as thru instead of through, for example. This may have begun as a way to shorten messages, as fees for texts were originally charged on the bill per character.

    I insisted that regardless of what their friends did, whenever they communicated electronically, they must always use proper English, full sentences, correct spelling and punctuation.

    Years later, they actually thanked me for insisting on these things when they were young, citing their observations that many of their friends and others seem "dumbed down" and even incapable of formulating coherent messages when communicating electronically.

    Anyway, thanks for the interesting post that allowed me the opprtunity to wdml (walk down memory lane).
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  • Posted by quarterbar 8 years, 3 months ago
    Yes. Proper use of the English language is essential to lending credibility to the author's point of view IMHO.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
    Incorrect spelling would bother me if done through unwillingness to learn. But in this age of autocorrect programs that frequently make things worse, I am more forgiving. The only answer is to do quality control on everything one writes, which does take extra time
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  • Posted by Snakecane 8 years, 3 months ago
    They’re are 17 men on the street, over their, see? They all looked at there watches on they’re wrists. There watches were not synchronized, though. One said to another, “Your an idiot!” Another said, “Where’s you’re sense of humor?” They all agreed that keeping correct time...and grammar are very, very, very, very, very hard. “Olive us can’t be wrong,” suggested one. “No,” said another, “you have wronged them and I.”
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Had to add this, as well, after I got to thinking about it. One might think, from what I said, that the human emotion of love was a late development. That was not the intent, and I think this is a very important distinction, when you think about it. The human "conception" of that emotion is what came later.
    That is, the emotion was there, human awareness developed later.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 years, 3 months ago
    Depending on the level and amount of mistakes. If it is someone average and the mistakes are minor then it fits my opinion of the expected. If however they are of a higher education level or jerks about the writing then yes of course.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wanted to add that the study of how children learn and use language I find fascinating.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe communication and reasoning evolved together, the evolution of each dependent on the other. Several months ago, as I was reading---perusing, is a more adequate word---the dictionary, (which I do occasionally) I realized that the concept of a past event or action came later in the development of a language. For instance, in the case of the very first words, the past tense seems unrelated to the present tense. The word go, is used in the present as "I go", but its past tense is "I went". In the more evolved words, the past tense is related in some ways to the present tense of the action. "I love", "I loved". To me that signifies that early man separated an action in the past from that same action in the present. You will find that in small children as well. And also, early verb forms for existence are different for the first, second and third persons. "I am", "You are", "He is". This seems to be true in every language, though I don't know that for sure. In Latin, "Sum", "Es", "Est".
    Well, with that (preceding) paragraph, I have managed to detach from the original intent of your comment. I think.

    I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say "Orwellian Newspeak".

    The enormous number of words (vocabulary) in the English language is due to the constant influx of new cultures and languages into that small island.

    I had three years of Latin in high school---figured it would help when I studied anatomy and medicine in Vet School, and was a member of Junior Classical League. It was there I became enamored of word derivation. For example, the word enthralled is derived from I believe Old Norse, "thrall" meaning slave.
    Another interesting result of the study of language is its aid in the determination of migration/invasion patterns of the various peoples of the world. Nowadays of course DNA studies are also being used.

    Do you know what the word is that I am referring to? Streamline is close, but is not the word I'm looking for.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right. I understand the limitations of the spellechecker. It is fine for lieutenent and suprise. Hear is an example of how it doesn't due much.

    MS Word has a Grammar checker also. I worked a project in factory automation with a young colleague who just came from an advertising agency. Our manager insisted that we use the grammar checker in Word. We immediately made it fail half a dozen times. That said, I still use it. It is hard to proofread your own work.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right. "A group of men is going." I cited "A group of men are going" as an example of the common error. I did not mean anything else.

    In Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology Ayn Rand explains that the function of concepts is to allow us to subsume an unlimited number of examples under one word. Perhaps that is your "less is more" intention.

    I caution against Orwellian Newspeak in which fewer and fewer words are employed. English enjoys a vocabulary of almost 1 million words. We cite Aristotle with gay abandon, but his world was described in about 50,000 words.

    The Greeks did invent new words for new ideas. "Cosmopolitan" - a citizen of the world, not just one city - is an example. But it is put together from smaller words in their own language.

    In modern English, if you let your kids camp out in the back yard, they might build a wigwam behind the verandah, two "Indian" words that have enriched our language and given us more power of thought.

    The primary use of language is to enable thinking. Communication with others is a secondary use.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wouldn't that be "A group of men is going..."? But you seem to be saying that it should just be "Men are going...

    There's a word for that, using less to get more. Streamlining comes close but I think there's a better world, I mean word.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
    While I agree with most of what you posted, Mike, I disagree somewhat with the idea that spellcheckers are a godsend. It works great for checking spelling, true, but if a word is used incorrectly (homonyms in particular), it won't catch the mistake. Using the wrong word, especially consistently, tends to make me dismiss the person's contribution. What a waste because there may be value in that person's opinion. A great short e-book is entitled something like 26 Grammar Mistakes often Found on the Internet. It takes about 15 minutes to read, but is invaluable. I wish everyone would take the time to read/study it.
    I suspect we all hacks to a degree.
    Thanks for responding; greatly appreciated.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 4 months ago
    Overall, it does not matter much. My feeling is that I may not agree with someone who writes well, but more often do not agree with those who do not. I believe that the rules of language define thought. People who do not write well tend not to think well.

    However, English orthography is a bitch. The spellchecker is a godsend.

    Regarding grammar, as English evolved, we shed many rules, but kept many archaisms that we accept without question.

    1 hand 2 hands
    1 man 2 men
    1 deer 2 deer
    1 ox 2 oxen

    Writing an email, I said, "I will recommend to my wife that she call you." Then I stopped. The grammar is correct, but will sound wrong to anyone who does not understand the grammar.

    Far more common - and annoying to me -is the use of the prepositional object as the subject of a sentence. "A group of men are going...." However, it is so common that it would not affect my opinion of a post placed here.

    Also, online, even I write off-the-cuff. I do read and edit my posts within the 15-minute window. And I was criticized once for changing my statements while that other person was replying. But, mostly, online writing is informal. Because we all make mistakes, I am bothered only by the most egregious cases.

    (I insist to my wife at tax time that the W-2s prove that I am a professional writer. Obviously, I care about grammar, spelling, and syntax. There was one time, my boss made me undo several pages back to the original (wrong) state. I did it. But I came home angry. I took down a dictionary and showed my wife the definition of hack:
    "a writer who works for pay without regard for personal or professional standards." She smiled and said, "That's OK, honey, most writers have to quit their jobs to become hacks." )
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