If maph could expend half the energy he wastes on tripe like this on some goal that would build something he would be an unstoppable producer. Instead we have this waste "of what was once a great mind".........

(That's from AS part III maph)

There is absoulute historical proof that bad people are everywhere. A certain king decided he would be the head of a new religion. If put into political terms there were Dumbocrats and Republicans. One wanted to go to war and the other decided to run. Another party emerged who wanted things their way and they decided to attack the peaceful region The coward decided he would stick them with a pin. Now they push their politics in the classroom and no one else is allowed.

Well if you have historical evidence please present it.

What was the role of the atheists?

That is like saying freedom of thought doesn't matter.

Why are your posts hidden? Are you in hiding? That was a great quote.

If you want to obsess over Hobby Lobby you go right ahead. Apparently its very existence punches buttons for you.

Apparently have no problem with the ACA / Obamacare and the consequent government takeover of health care itself. So there isn't really a lot of room for discussion.

You like big government and all its ills, and I do not.

The text formatter on this web site mangled my URL. Let's try breaking it up on two lines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Res...
See section: Role of the churches

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Res... section: Role of the churches

"“You know what happens when atheists take over—remember Nazi Germany?” Many Christians point to Nazism, alongside Stalinism, to illustrate the perils of atheism in power.1 At the other extreme, some authors paint the Vatican as Hitler’s eager ally. Meanwhile, the Nazis are generally portrayed as using terror to bend a modern civilization to their agenda; yet we recognize that Hitler was initially popular. Amid these contradictions, where is the truth?

A growing body of scholarly research, some based on careful analysis of Nazi records, is clarifying this complex history.2 It reveals a convoluted pattern of religious and moral failure in which atheism and the nonreligious played little role, except as victims of the Nazis and their allies. In contrast, Christianity had the capacity to stop Nazism before it came to power, and to reduce or moderate its practices afterwards, but repeatedly failed to do so because the principal churches were complicit with—indeed, in the pay of—the Nazis.

Most German Christians supported the Reich; many continued to do so in the face of mounting evidence that the dictatorship was depraved and murderously cruel. Elsewhere in Europe the story was often the same. Only with Christianity’s forbearance and frequent cooperation could fascistic movements gain majority support in Christian nations. European fascism was the fruit of a Christian culture. Millions of Christians actively supported these notorious regimes. Thousands participated in their atrocities.

What, in God’s name, were they thinking?

Before we can consider the Nazis, we need to examine the historical and cultural religious context that would give rise to them."

Read more at: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/f......

Are you suggesting that we could become a theocracy? That's crazy. Freedom of religion is important. Freedom from religion is communism.

I love your assumptions about me. For instance have I posted a single link? Cant remember? The answer is No.

Just for your general fund of knowledge I cant stand either party. I am for small government which neither party supports.

The Republicans rob you blind and the Democrats make sure you are too poor to rob. Not much difference to be seen for the people having their pockets picked.

Zealots of either stripe are a ridiculous pain in the ass.

I am not sticking my head in the sand.

Unlike you I understand the reality that Hobby Lobby is not now, nor is it ever likely to be, in a position to mandate anything of the sort in the public schools.

Did you not read that far in my post?

In a private school they could, but not in the public schools. And in a private school that is perfectly ok.

Something else to think about too, if they did set up private schools like that plenty of people would prefer that to the public schools.

The only one denying reality here is you, but then you are busily surrounding yourself with straw man arguments so there is no room for reality.

"“You know what happens when atheists take over—remember Nazi Germany?” Many Christians point to Nazism, alongside Stalinism, to illustrate the perils of atheism in power.1 At the other extreme, some authors paint the Vatican as Hitler’s eager ally. Meanwhile, the Nazis are generally portrayed as using terror to bend a modern civilization to their agenda; yet we recognize that Hitler was initially popular. Amid these contradictions, where is the truth?

A growing body of scholarly research, some based on careful analysis of Nazi records, is clarifying this complex history.2 It reveals a convoluted pattern of religious and moral failure in which atheism and the nonreligious played little role, except as victims of the Nazis and their allies. In contrast, Christianity had the capacity to stop Nazism before it came to power, and to reduce or moderate its practices afterwards, but repeatedly failed to do so because the principal churches were complicit with—indeed, in the pay of—the Nazis.

Most German Christians supported the Reich; many continued to do so in the face of mounting evidence that the dictatorship was depraved and murderously cruel. Elsewhere in Europe the story was often the same. Only with Christianity’s forbearance and frequent cooperation could fascistic movements gain majority support in Christian nations. European fascism was the fruit of a Christian culture. Millions of Christians actively supported these notorious regimes. Thousands participated in their atrocities.

What, in God’s name, were they thinking?

Before we can consider the Nazis, we need to examine the historical and cultural religious context that would give rise to them."

Read more at: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/f...