Hobby Lobby long term goal: "Mandate" 4 Year Bible Curriculum - that Hobby Lobby writes - in Public Schools
Anyone still want to pretend this doesn't extend beyond birth control?
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I know why you fear this...
" I'm upset by their plans to push their own personal religious beliefs onto the general population through the public school system. "
You ACKNOWLEDGE, implicitly, that the public school system has become nothing but an indoctrination system.
The 1st Amendment doesn't protect us from exposure to religion, just from the government declaring a national religion (like the Green religion...)
This model you fear more closely resembles the traditional educational system that gained us the best educated and most literate population on the planet, than does the current, Christianity-free educational system.
Me, I've never needed birth control; long ago I decided that I'd never make love to a woman I wasn't willing to marry and raise a child with.
If she feels differently... well, as I told an ex-girlfriend once, "I can't control who you sleep with; I can only control who *I* sleep with."
(which was terrible grammar, I know. It should have been "with whom you sleep" and "with whom I sleep", but I wasn't such a grammarian back then...)
My lands man, how can you accept this piece as at all balanced? It's obscenely slanted - just like every marginal "source" you have posted here for months. Shear garbage. Mental candy for non-thinkers and at the very worse it's propaganda written by somebody who thinks that all churches should be closed up, religion banned and all bibles burned.
You are capable of so much better than THIS! Don't allow these sort of bottom dwellers to keep shaping your mind and thoughts. It's poison.
My dear boy, I see in your awesome ability to research and analyze true marks of greatness in whatever you do. BUT you have got to make a effort to screen out the trash that collects in the web like no place in our history. There was a day that due to the cost of publication, a person could be comfotable in assuming that anything that got published was worth looking at. As time has passed and it seems that printed information has gotten cheaper and more widely distributed. The web can almost be free.
Today on the web information is so cheap that ANYBODY for less than the cost of a quality textbook can setup a site and become a "published authority" on any subject. This has also allowed any crackpot suffering with insomnia and minimal literary skills to setup a website proclaiming his wildest vulgarities. And passing them out to the unsuspecting as fact, truth and marching orders for the mindless foot soldiers of the far left or far right.
In this country we have strong ties between the establishment of our nation and religion. Religion is neither the boogyman some fear or the guide for government some would like it to be. Almost all our laws and all of the Bill of Rights are precepts laid out in the Christian faith, yet there has NEVER been a drive to make our government a theocracy, unlike all those countries in the middle east that are now commanded by Muslim Theocracies. There were those in S. America that were controlled by the religious leaders until they disappeared from history. Evangelical Christians have no desire to rule this country, none at all. That does not mean that they won't run for office, protest, march and do all the things any American does who cares about his country.
If you are concerned by the money the family who owns Hobby Lobby has and how they might use it, I'd caution about that. They have just as much power as you or I do, or even Mike Bloomberg - one man, one vote. How they spend their money is their business, not ours.
But the theocracies that threaten us are twofold, and neither... NEITHER is Christianity.
1) Green
2) Islam
Stop distracting from the REAL theocratic threats by these attacks on "theocracy" that always seem to revolve around Christianity.
And this thread reminds me of how right I was to make it.
The Catholic church didn't "borrow" from paganism. It warped and twisted pagan themes in order to expedite the conversion of pagans to Christianity.
Are you suggesting that Torquemada was a contemporary of Hitler?
Hitler "borrowing" from paganism didn't make hiis regime Christian. The Nazis also "borrowed" from Christianity and Judaism (and Islam, for that matter) to create a mishmash of *ideology* to promote their agenda. Similar to the way the early Roman empire "borrowed" from its neighbors' pagan religions to make a mishmash of Roman religion promoting the supremacy of Rome more than a "true" faith.
The Catholic church didn't "borrow" paganism, it rewrote paganism.
The Nazi regime was NOT theocratic, unless you want to call state-worship "theocratic" in which cast the Soviet Union, again, had them beat cold.
One comforting factor may be a recognition that some of the basic teachings of Christianity and some of the traditionally accepted events of Jesus' life may actually be over 4,500 years old, grounded in the pre-history of humanity. Another is that, when we strip away the miraculous and supernatural legends in the gospels which came from Pagan sources, we are left with the natural. What remains is a story of an itinerant Jewish teacher who taught through parables and by example. It is the core teachings of Jesus which emerge from the gospels -- undiluted by Pagan material."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jc...
And I agree, freedom of religion is very important. But what you need to realize is that you cannot have freedom of religion without freedom from religion. The first cannot exist without the second. If people do not have freedom FROM the religious beliefs of others, then no one can have freedom OF religion. The two go hand in hand, and are inseparable.
And I don't support the the Affordable Care Act, either. I think if we're going to have a public healthcare system, it should be done on a state level, not a national level. That way it would have greater flexibility, and the people would be able to control it more effectively at a local level.
I also don't like big government. But I don't like theocracy, either, not even if it's limited to a state level. Separation of church and state is something I believe in very strongly, and I will fight against any religious organization which tries to impose itself onto the general public.
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