Story at the time, they were tweaking their weather device, and the flood was the accident. Unfortunately, they US versions know well what they are doing to the jet stream, even though Congress much earlier passed legislation saying they could not use it against US citizens.

Absolutely. I actually watched a hearing of a committee of Congress discussing them, and how many there are, which actually was held months before I saw it. They never seem to mention it in public, but there was this whole panel discussing HAARP, and had an exact number of other similar facilities in other countries, such as Russia, Britain, and Eastern Europe. A scientist and former meteorologist in Calif. has mapped the bending of the jet stream which they cause. Now, if they are doing this all over the globe, and the legislators spoke also of private industry using them as well, the overall impact is far more than any supposed actions citizens are causing. I remmber a few years ago, there was a major fllod in the part of North Dakota where I used to live. I thought it strange for that time of the year. Apparently the Russians admitted they had an oops moment with their version of HAARP.. I guess it is like when the government here said they had shut down UFO investigations, but two years later, my parents' next door neighbor was still investigating UFO sightings in his same job!

I for one did not know you are a woman. But then in a forum like this where many people use pseudonyms, so what. Your comments (and mine and everyone's) should be judged on the content of the comment, not on the sex of the author.
And if I were PC I'd have written 'gender' in lieu of 'sex' so you can tell that I have no use for PC ;-)
Meanwhile, thanks for your insights.

I'll accept that.

Thank you, this has been fun. I don't get a chance to chat with too many people that don't start going off on me or try to convert me to their religion when things don't go their way. Intellectual conversations can be rather stimulating.

For humans, much as every other animal, there is no blank slate. Even the whole "Nature vs. Nurture" theory has, so insofar as I know, is incorrect. Humans are inherently flawed by their own nature.

Yet, facts are still all around us and are found every day, in everything we do. Now, if you were to choose not to heed the facts presented, you will ultimately fail in some way, shape, or form.

Now, here is a philosophical question for you, and I am not a philosopher: "Are facts still facts if the data they are based on are incorrect, manipulated, or flawed?" Much of science completed throughout history has in some way been flawed but fit with the technology and understanding available, yet when technology or better data became available theories were changed. Yet, the theory "The sky is orange because the sun is yellow" is still false because we can test, and retest the facts which the technology that we have and know this to be false.

Facts are inherent in our world and universe. We as humans have the "privilege" to ignore them and come up with our own beliefs. Yet, the facts are still just that. It is making people realize that they are incorrect and having them accept it, that is what is not as easily changed.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

Those points right there are what I strive to change. Fact Based Logic, basing one's opinion on what is logical not what is felt or perceived.

Facts are all around us, however (much as in this overall topic) people are no longer using Facts, but instead manipulating data to fit opinion/policy. I cannot say that "It is bright outside" while standing in an unlit cave and make it be true because the fact is I am neither outside nor is there any light. However, I can manipulate people into believing it by changing their thinking to fit my purposes. This is what is going on today. The manipulation of people to fit an ideology, and the fact that those manipulated either refuse to fact check or think logically is why we are in such dire times. The only way to make them "see the light" (if you will excuse the pun) is to keep presenting the facts and teaching them how to think logically. Most will refuse, because it's human nature not to change a "Belief", yet an idea can change when the facts disagree with it.

All these ideologies (Feminism, Socialism, Communism, etc.) have moved away from the realm of reality and are now Religions with their own Belief system. This is why those whom follow refuse and detest everything that does not fit. It is against their belief. Logic and reason can, and has, won throughout human history, it just takes a much longer time to do so.

I didn't know you were a woman. I would be talking to you the same way in any case. However, I understand where you are coming from. Though I also believe that Modern Feminists are not advocates of Feminism, nor are Socialists advocates of Socialism. They want to put people down and put them into chains. However, advocating that "All Men (as in humans) Are Created Equal", not "All Should Be Equal in Pay, Work, etc." is a higher calling.

I also don't consider myself a "Conservative" but instead an "Independent", though I have conservative ideologies. This has as much to do with my Science background as anything else. Show me the Facts, and I will change my opinion given those, and only those. I can never prove anything "Right or Correct," I can prove however that something is "Incorrect".

That comment was a little sexist.

However, all you have to do is read "1984" to see what they want. However, we'll get there through first "Atlas Shrugged", and then will be forced into "Ferinheight 451" and "A Brave New World" before we get to "1984". Unfortunately "Atlas Shrugged" is already a little too real.

Not saying it isn't. However, just try to argue with one, and tell/show them the facts. They have no real come back except to get super upset or call you racist. What they don't understand is that they just lost at this point, and there is no more reason to argue. Yet, they take it as their win.

Also, the Socialist/Communist mentality is not truly Socialist/Communist. Because not everyone is the same, instead you get more of a Feudal system, where the ultra rich control everything, and the rest are dirt poor.

Also, these same systems are the exact ones that have caused the greatest genocides/mass murders in history.

Those lizards are more resourceful than you may think. And the changing environment due to mesquite and cow pasturing are larger reasons for their demise than the Oil Field. But, because the oil has the money, they get blamed.