Many see trumpet as government control of government. Meaning, pulling up on the reigns...whoa, Nellie, whoa!

At least that won't happen in Az. There is a leftist groups in the Verde Valley that are promoted by a leftist radio program called the "Democratic Perspective". I happen to listen to it the other day while I was waiting for the ESPN Radio Show, they mentioned that they are supported by the Democratic Party. It bothers me why they get on the the air at a local radio station, without an opposing Conservative or maybe Objectivist viewpoint. Money talks when a small town radio station is trying to survive.
I still consider these people dangerous FLuffy Bunnies. They even said they want to push a Progressive candidates for local government offices. If it was open season on these Fluffy Bunnies I would go a hunting!

Wow. That is a website I never want to visit again.

Probably right Carl (pun intended),

NO! Not by any means! At least not all of us.
Some of us are libertarians and agorists and voluntaryists and autarchists.
Socialism is government ownership; fascism is government control.
There is very little socialism in these United States, but lots and lots and LOTS of fascism.
Trump is, indeed, a fascist, though not any more so than, say, Obama.

The Democrat party has become so skewed that they don't even know who the hell they are.Today, there are 4 parties. Democrats, far left radicals, Republicans, and conservatives. Conservatives are defending against the far left, the Democrats, and the Republicans. Has the Trump "revolution" meant anything at all? I looks to me that whatever he accomplishes will be dismantled brick by brick once his administration ends.

I call them...Delete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly, they can not be aware of the fact that they too...are in jeopardy of their own making.

...and democracy leads to authoritarian/totalitarian govt....long live the republic we were founded on...

"Rulers" are making certain that "opportunities" exist only for themselves. Why do so many call that "elite"?

doubt that there is neither need nor practicality in revolution. Watch the Rulers wipe themselves and most of "us' out with collapse.

Sorry, any link to Facebook doesn't work for me, as I ditched that crowd years ago. But I took a peek at the other link.
Face it, the all-encompassing word is Collectivism, which has now taken over America and most of the world. The Rulers have exclusive "rights' to decide who lives and who dies. The only bright glimmer in all that is that they also will also self-extinguish.
Oh, so much fun ahead for our species!

They are. Rand described their ideology exactly. Furthermore, they are throwing off on Trump--accusing him of their own follies.

Yes.

The media and the left would have us think that but I don't see it anywhere but the media and the left.
Perhaps they are more concerned than we are. We are just observing behavior, that's not a "Phobia".

Religion or organized teachings is misguided enough by not having evolved the conversation but it's observable that it is the left that are the pagan bicameral's and have a nasty habit of putting it off on us.

I can't get the jokes, possibly b/c I can't hear your voice. The joking question is what would life be like if we were obsessed with each other's religious backgrounds instead of getting stuff working? I don't know. I guess I'd know more non-denominational religious hymns and less about technology. I guess I should think of that if I ever feel burnt out with work.

If they except "Reason" then they are really not muslim. (to be muslim is to be islamic). Seems the people you do business with have transitioned without awareness...holding on to their traditions when in fact, they have out grown them...and that's a good thing, but just not pervasive enough to eliminate the risks that culture poses to everyone else.
It's like dealing with a recovering cannibal...you'll never know when that ole erg will strike!...that's an old joke...I'm laughing...laughing I tell you.

It stood to reason that some were awake...now you have provided the proof...(I'm taking your word on this and will name you as my source so I won't be charged on Fake News charges)

"If the world was the same all over and everywhere... it would be pretty boring, don't ya think?"
Yes. That's why I say I was born "just in time".

"The pagans and muslims do not mesh with anyone but themselves."
Of course this is completely false. I live every day in a world of people informed by the past while accepting reason. Daily experience working via Slack with people around the world, going to international conferences, and working with people from various backgrounds living right here shows how completely absurd this is.

The pagans and muslims do not mesh with anyone but themselves...their values and behaviors are 180 opposed to ours...if they weren't then they wouldn't be pagans and muslims. Globalist seem to think, (at least I think they think_hard to tell) that just mere exposure will wake them up out of their sleepy bicameral brains...haven't seen any evidence of that.
But...Yes, the internet changed everything but I doubt the cultures will ever change beyond recognition and I for one, don't want them to.
If the world was the same all over and everywhere...it would be pretty boring, don't ya think?

I have a vision of the US being a place with no national ethnicity. You can't look American, except for maybe in dress and actions: maybe for carrying a huge metallic cup of watery coffee, being a little overweight, using Imperial units, doing work while eating lunch, and so on. We're supposed to be this group of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Pagans, atheists, who come together as one under the belief in turning Enlightenment ideas into an actual working society. I don't see it working all that well because we interpret the Constitution so widely.

Last week I went to the village in the mountains of Sicily where my family is from. They came here 100 years ago. My grandfather is the last to speak the languages from that area. I had to drive over narrow winding mountain roads to get there. It's still another world up in those mountains. Only people under 20 y/o seem to have learned any English, so I get by speaking slowly in American English and American Spanish. But the young people spoke English. They're putting their parents' cafes on Facebook. I feel like I went just in time. If I had been born 100 years later, it would be like going from Wisconsin to the Smokey Mountains-- much more homogeneous.

When jet planes and user-friendly Internet applications were invented, an irreversible reaction started.

Globally yes, but the way I understand it is that you can't meld the different cultures without some commonality, like language or heritage.

What the left or the "Global Socialist" (to put it nicely...and it's not nice) is that we do respect and appreciate the different peaceful and diverse cultures and that doesn't need to change.
The only change needed are the cultures that are 180 opposed to life, liberty, property and the pursuits of happiness that harms no one.
So, this moving back to National Sovereignty seems protectionist by nature which mimics Fascism in the eyes of the Globalist.

We will continue to need borders and boundaries until the day comes that Everyone is Conscious, has a conscience and respects the property of others.

America is special in that it is not a multicultural society, America is of One culture made up of many and bound by a common language and desire...it's far to late for the rest of the world that developed their cultures way before America was just a gleam in our Forefathers eyes.

Again...except for the muslim, cannibalistic or pagan tribalistic societies, I don't think we'd even want to change a thing. We enjoy the other cultures for what they are, we visit them to experience their cultures, not to change them.

When I first read the quote from The Rising National Individualism, I thought it was from our modern times. When he says people are more closely related to groups they belong to than interests, I thought he was referencing Tribes and the notion that the nation state has less meaning now that value can be cheaply moved around the world.

Thanks for the background, I am familiar with most of it...guess it's up to me, (the new word maker upper_laughing) to come up with a new label.
"Socialism calls all the world one; Nationalism sets part against the rest"... In a world that doesn't respect one's property...physical, mental or a "person" themselves, in order to have maximum freedom and maximum responsibility the need for borders and a nation state continues.

We, on planet earth, will never be One World or have a One World identity until Everyone respects the property of others.

As far as Trumpet and Fascism...so long as he is a Fascist with Government and not a Fascist with the people.
I wish it were different, but how else can we rid ourselves of the corrupt swamp that DC has turned into without a full blown revolution or at least a tough guy willing to bully the bullies that surely do not respect Your Property and the spoils of your hard labor.
This is Not a justification...it's just an observation.

President Trump does represent a kind of fascism, and fascism is good for business ... until it becomes bad for business...

Fascism does not need to be aggressive: Franco's Spain and Salazar's Portugal had no mutual antagonism. Similarly, Scandinavia demonstrates that socialism does not need gulags.

Be that as it may, I believe that new labels will be found for what we are now experiencing. For comparison and context, through JSTROR, I found this some years ago:
The Rising National Individualism
Author(s): Herbert Adolphus Miller
Source: The American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 19, No. 5 (Mar., 1914), pp. 592-605
Published by: The University of Chicago Press


By "national individualism" the author means what we came to call "fascism" - socialism with a nationalist character so that Slavic Socialism is different from German Socialism and so on, all of them opposed (or, "opposed") to the international socialism of the left.

"It is not at all clear just where the individual merges into the social, but we have become familiar with the contrast between Individualism and Socialism, and everyone has a fairly good idea of what is meant by the two terms. We are beginning to see that men are more closely related to the groups to which they belong- family, community, and religious organization-than to any inter- est which could be more specifically called merely personal. The object of this paper is to show that there is a rapidly developing individualism that is distinctly social, and which promises to become a powerful factor in human affairs. The earlier conflict between Socialism and Individualism is likely to be diverted to that between Socialism and Nationalism or the struggle for national individuality. At the present moment the world is organizing itself into two great camps-Socialism and Nationalism. Both are expressions of the group feeling; both are movements of revolt; both are struggles for freedom. They started from a common impulse about fifty years ago, but quickly found themselves arrayed against each other. One would break down political boundaries; the other would build them up. Socialism calls all the world one; Nationalism sets part against the rest. Socialism is economic; Nationalism sentimental. Both are rapidly becoming world-wide and must fundamentally modify statescraft."

Again, look at the publication date: 1914. The author correctly identified the existence of a trend, though his terminology was muddled. However, he could not see where this was leading. Brave New World was published in 1931. The characters are all named for great collectivists of the day from Polly Trotsky and Lenina Crowne to Bernard Marx and Mustapha Mond. (See BNW in Wikipedia for a list.)

Everyone "intelligent" person thought that individualism as we understand it was dead with World War I which ended the 19th century, intellectually and spiritually. However, in the 1930s and 1940s, libertarianism was nurtured by three women: Isabel Paterson, Rose Lane Wilder, and Ayn Rand.

Now, we understand somewhat different meanings in all of those old labels: liberal, libertarian, conservative, socialist, fascist, nationalist, internationalist... It remains to discover the new labels.

What boggles the mind is these creatures would knowingly destroy existence itself...if they had a brain and an ounce of awareness...they would just end their own existence and leave ours alone.

Everybody's Off their Rocker these days and the "environ-mentallyretarded" are the one's responsible for our tainted air and water!...can we confidently say: "Moral Outrage"?