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The Era of Ownership Is Ending

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 1 month ago to Technology
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I think this trend will lead to a world without Humans, a world without skill, respect or appreciation and a world without responsibility.

With everything digital and nothing physical...one flick of natures wrath and it's all gone and no one will ever know your were here.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It's the way I was raised to be but I think, realistically and humanistically it's the way it was meant to be.
    Now, in outerspace? or in a small colony on another planet with difficult to get resources? Yea, it kinda has to work that way but not here on earth.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Lost my first, built myself house, because wife cheated, doin dope and didn't pay bills like I asked while I built said house...went bankrupt! met new wife, 5 years later built new and bigger/better house and have been married 25 years this july 11...guess it was a good roll of the dice this time.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    There are benefits to both sides, I agree. Our housing bubble never would have happened if banks hadn't been forced to loan to renters who weren't sufficiently prepared to be owners.

    For me? I prefer something to call my very own.
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  • Posted by Storo 8 years, 1 month ago
    The author of the subject piece is just another "futurist" who has put forth a scenario which in theory works because everyone is on board, and the non-ownership meme works flawlessly. The fact is that such a system is Utopian. It strikes at the heart of Objectivism, Capitalism, and the ideas of freedom and liberty by creating an underlying assumption that everybody will get on board and everyone will be willing to give up their independence and freedom in exchange for everyone being "equal". In such a case, the moochers win again, and the independence of the individual is crushed by dependence on others for what that individual needs.
    Another aspect that hasn't been touched on here is combining non-ownership with robots. The goal of those who push for these technologies is to replace the human being and the attendant wages, benefits, etc., with systems that can operate 24/7 at a fraction of the cost. They even now are experimenting with a robot that flips burgers! Amazon is using drones to make deliveries!
    So we rent, not own, and we have no job, or very limited options for work. Where then do we get the money to rent anything?
    And even if by some miracle we have the funds to rent stuff, from whom will we rent? My guess is Amazon, Google, General Motors and other global companies who by virtue of their reach will own and control everything.
    No thanks!! If we believe in the sanctity of the individual we MUST fight such trends tooth and nail.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps, but as I can personally attest to working with cloud systems in IT, it also means an unholy dependence on your providers. We've seen our entire phone network offlined for software glitches in Microsoft updates. We've seen our cloud-based service providers conveniently raise their rates - without a thing we can really do.

    Thanks, but I want local control and ownership of my data and my tooling. I want the ability to get things done irrespective of anyone else. I don't want to be locked into one giant corporation's method of doing things and paying for the privilege!
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  • Posted by unitedlc 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I would argue that a drill is worth much more than an "investment" such as fiat currency or stock in a company. We are at all times literally one significant event away from a stock becoming worthless, or a currency experiencing skyrocketing inflation. A drill in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, can create something tangible. Call me an alarmist, but I live much more comfortably with useful things and the knowledge of how to use them, than an overabundance of "money" backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 1 month ago
    Me dino has both owned and rented. One thing about renting, it's a lot easier to stay within a budget.
    The house? I had saved $35,000 for the down payment and ended up losing it all to a divorce.
    I was not even the one who was cheating.
    Kids being involved makes a difference.
    Been renting ever since. Nobody's taking squat away from me again unless it's burglars when me dino the NRA qualified shooter ain't home.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    But look at what it's done to those in the cities, especially those with less means...you become so dependent and disempowered that you just can't take care of yourself, control yourself and get yourself out of that mess...that's probably why they moved the poorer masses into the cities. I witnessed this happening on the east coast growing up...thankfully, I didn't live in the city.
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  • Posted by jhthurman 8 years, 1 month ago
    If you follow the "as a service" model to its natural conclusion, you could envision a world where YOU don't own anything, even as the number those who do own productive assets consolidate the way companies are consolidating. Ultimately, the vast majority of people would be at the mercy of a very small number of people who could then effective control you by threatening to withhold the very things you need. Leading to a dystopian future.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "Mercy" does not really appropritely describe such an event. It's a particular instance of depending on others to fulfill their end of the bargain, which is true for any free-market transaction. It may be inconvenient to have to wait longer for something to be fixed, but that's part of the rental "package". The ownership "package" comes with plenty of disadvantages of its own. In fact there are trade-offs involved in just about every decision that you make.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but what I am referring to is that you gota call the landlord to get something fixed...you can't call a pro on your own and get faster service...your at the mercy of others, either way you look at it.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Speaking of vibrational frequencies see today's suspicious observers and the synchronized red Giants in the Milky Way . Tesla got it right!
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In any economy in which there is a division of labor, people will depend on other people to perform their specialized roles. I don't think physical self-sufficiency is what Objectivism is all about. The important thing for individuals in a market economy is the freedom to find another (landlord, blacksmith, banker, carpenter, etc.) if the current one is not performing to one's satisfaction.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I say, we end ownership of seats in congress!
    Better yet...lets create robots to occupy those seats with the prime law being our constitution the way it was intended.
    Problem solved...Period!
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The options in housing to rent or own provides choices and depending on circumstances one may be the better choice than the other. Ex. I rented scaffolding to install new window sashes only needed it for a day but the drill/screwdriver I own as it is available on demand with many uses. I rent a fishing boat and motor but I own my tackle and rods. Let the free market be free and let the demand or trends take us into the future.
    BTW people always want to scare us into the scenario of scarcities . I say...... well someone once said necessity is the mother of invention.
    Freedom from the controlling maggots granted by our constitution allowed America to revolutionize the Industrial Age, aviation , manufacturing, the technology, the energy ,agriculture and medicine enabling the world to sustain an incredible population. Yet The maggots have clawed their way back to weaken our constitution spy and control the people whom they are supposed to represent and work for. High time for another revolution.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    And that's where dependents starts...you have to depend on the landlord to fix things...you can do little to nothing yourself.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    sorry about the sloppiness. I was typing from my phone.

    *did not account for a willful strategy.
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