The Freedom Caucus’s new health care demand: let insurers charge sick people more

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago to Government
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So, it is sort of hard to figure out a good answer here. I don't want to have to pay for the cancer treatment of someone who smoked 2 packs a day for 40 years, or for some womans pregnancy issues. I think their real issue is Obamacare is just looting a bunch of people to pay for a few, and the Republican plan is "screw them, it's their issue" (and I lean more in that direction). The real problem is that they BOTH miss the mark. It apprars there needsto be some catastrophic program that kicks in at a certain level, and fund it off some current tax rate, with a consequent cut in spending to compensate. At least that way the issue is addressed (somewhat), the looting is sort ofg restricted, and people would still get the health care. You also have to factor in the wild costs and just willy nilly "it's expensive and goes up 20% a year" stories from the whole medical world, and require some proof of costs going up before you can raise your rates. But neither side is going to have something that either works, or is reasonable, both plans do some major screwing of someone...seems to be the new political standard....I would love to see Copngress actually have to go buy their own plans themselves and then I bet they would have a much better idea of fixing it...

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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years ago
    What needs to happen is that everyone figure out how not to get sick. How not to get cancer. Do you really think a forty-pack-year history of tobacco smoking (or however one can take tobacco) is the only thing a person can do to himself to make cancer more likely to strike? Let's talk about diet, lifestyle, the industrial monoculture model, and everything else you care to name. If people knew a diagnosis of cancer could wipe them out, and how to avoid cancer, of course they'd educate themselves.

    Alan Grayson was half right. The proper plan is, "Don't get sick." Because you don't have to get sick.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    But that is also part of the misunderstanding: Christians don't support taxation or governmental programs to achieve this end. Hospitals were private charitable enterprises long before they became businesses and even longer before government started controlling them and forcing them out of their purpose.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    They are, but unless you listen to Mark Meadows or Jim Jordan or one of the actual members, you're getting a skewed story. Jordan went on several media outlets to defend the Freedom Caucus.

    (PS - if you want to you can read Rep Ted Poe's cop-out on why he left the Freedom Caucus over the ACHA here: https://townhall.com/columnists/congr...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly! Let the idiot coastal states bankrupt themselves while the fly over states solve the problem a dozen different ways.
    If socialist people decide to remain in a state where they are looted then they deserve to be looted. Since they haven't yet learned the lesson of economics from the soviets and Venezuela, they must learn it the hard way.
    Propaganda can't overcome economic reality forever. Instead there will be a breakup of those states along socialist vs free market lines with the wise producers choosing free markets.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, unfortunately the states are little minature versions of our national politics, except they prove the fallacy of our electoral system. Oregon is gripped by 2 counties, and historically votes Republicrat, except those 2 and Eugen, and the Dumbocraps have ruled for 40 years or so. So they continue to produce expensive boondoogles that have no way to fund, then put the state in crisis, and jack up every tax and fee to pay for it, rinse and repeat. Kalifornia is another example. The system overall is unbalanced, and the programs will all be made for the peasants gathered in the population centers and paid for by everyone else.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, but it must not be done on a national government level because it concentrates power where it doesn't belong and where it creates a bigger threat than non-contagious disease: slavery.
    The constitution does not allow this and the people at the local and state level can contractually agree to provide this if they wish. The result will be a testing process that will create multiple solutions that will better serve the people that create them, and since the states cannot create money tokens from nothing.they will also create solutions that are more economically sound or the programs won't survive.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That is also true, it is a complete package issue, you cannot pick one thing thinking it will fix it. The issue is that the Dumbocraps have never looked at it as a complete system, they pick and choose each issue and program and thus have created a monster. The Republicrats come along and add their 2 cents which just makes it worse.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree completely, and then they will need a some sort of catastrophic health care program, of some kind, and then allow insurance companies to market low cost programs for low income people.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Freedom, I agree on an instinctive level, however, I think you run into a social problem, in that Western Christian civilization has a basic fundamental position on charity and care for the sick. Letting them take care of themselves, being responsible for their own destiny, is not going to make it in that framework.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years ago
    The freedom caucus should be pressing for a full and compete repeal, the removal of crippling regulations, and a full return to the free market without restrictions to where insurance company's can sell their service anywhere in the US.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years ago
    The "Freedom Caucus" is totally missing the boat by concentrating on health insurance when they should be promoting fundamental reforms that will bring health costs down for everyone. As I noted on another thread, the biggest problem is that U.S. health care is too expensive, and the cure is radical deregulation and introduction of competition in all health-related goods and services, not just insurance. This includes ending state and federal licensing of medical schools, hospitals, doctors and pharmacists; removing most of the power of the Food and Drug Administration; and enabling doctors and patients to freely contract on issues such as malpractice limits. Reallocating existing costs and benefits is a zero-sum game that plays into the hands of the Democrats, since they will never run out of “victims” to parade throughout the mainstream media. If the Republican Party is serious about fundamentally reforming health care, now is the time to show it.
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    Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
    It is not the federal government's job to take care of individuals who have health issues that are not contagious.
    Defund all federal programs that do things not covered in the constitution and let the local govt and states deal with it just as the constitution intended. Since the states cannot print fiat and indebt the people forever, its likely that at least some of the state and local governments will devise a better free market solution that stops the ever skyrocketing cost of medical services.
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