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The LGBT "community" isn't a minority any more than the Homebrew Computer Club was a minority. Or than PETA or the Congressional Cigar Association...
It's a massively diverse... not even "group" or "collection" of people whose only commonality isn't a sex or race, but any appetite that's not heterosexual. Hence the need for the 4-letter-acronym.
It's not persecution to refuse to reverse the entire definition of western cultural evolutionary history, to ignore the reality of the nature of homo sapiens, to ignore the most basic and simple logic, in order to make members of the LGBT not-feel different or abnormal.
I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. No, I don't mean I'm indifferent; I mean screw them. To hell with them. There are individuals in this society who EVERY SINGLE FREAKING DAY have to deal with being different, who have to deal with being defectively different, even. They get up in the morning, the deal with it, they go to bed at night. They don't give up, they don't whine to every ear within hearing about how rough they have it, or how it's somebody else's fault because somebody else won't be put out and change his normalness just to make them feel better.
Bang your drum all you like; I'm not listening. Keep banging your drum, and the LGBT "community" will be dealt with the same way any other spoiled child is dealt with when his mother has had enough of his acting up.
Then there is the whole science thing where there is no proof of the existence of a gene that is the trigger for homosexuality. Without that proof it is a desire, a lust, a wish, not a physical, identifiable, sex. Odd that there are genes for both male and female and genetic examinations of homosexual individuals render no statistical variation from whichever sex that person is. The genome is mapped and the reason behind each pair is known, at least to the specific area they control. From eye color to number of toes, it's documented and no homosexual genes were found.
The best case to prove your path might be to have reinstated into the PDR as a psychological disorder. Then efforts could then be made once more to cure it - but that's not what you want, is it?
"we religious people ARE a protected class, specifically enumerated in the bill of rights, with our activities listed first in that shopping list of rights and privileges."
I'm not sure where you get that? But, I'll start another post regarding this...
Unlike the LGBT people you campaign for with the religious fervor of a true acolyte, we religious people ARE a protected class, specifically enumerated in the bill of rights, with our activities listed first in that shopping list of rights and privileges.
As a man interested in science (but not blinded by it's limitations) I know and understand the meaning of the term "cull" and "mule" as expressed in genetics. Perhaps you might want to examine that as a part of your "open minded research" into sexuality.
For another example, watch this video from Texas where a religious pastor tries to argue that freedom of religion gives her the right to discriminate against gays, lesbians, transgender people, and Jews in her business:
Houston Pastor Says Religious Freedom Means the Right to Discriminate Against Gays, Jews:
http://tfninsider.org/2014/05/16/houston...
This is what opposition to Civil Rights looks like today. Those who support bigotry and prejudice have learned to cloak themselves in the language of their victims. But the smoke screen is easily penetrated by anyone who actually understands how persecution works, as seen in the above video where the woman accidentally steps out from behind her mental screen and speaks clearly for a moment, before retreating back behind the veil of language.
But in spite of that, the fact remains that the LGBT community faces disproportionate persecution in society, and because of that there need to be special protections put in place. You can't blame people for trying to use the law to defend themselves when they're under attack.
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It's not the government that the LGBT community is afraid of. Persecuted minorities typically view the Federal government as a protector, rather than an aggressor. I'll give you three guesses as to who they feel they need to be protected from, and I don't think you'll need the last two... ;)
By the way, thanks for proving me right.
Map, you want to find the truth. This is stated with some belligerency, do so, who is stopping you?
Post up when it is found.
There are founders of philosophies, and there are movements. For example: Darwin and evolution, Marx and communism, Mohammed and Islam, Rand and Objectivism. Maybe bad stuff happens as a result of the movement, one view says is will turn out ok, or will later be shown to be correct, or the followers have distorted the words of the founder. With a discrepancy between the words of the founder and actions of the movement it can be asked- who is right? How to form an opinion? Try "By their fruits shall you know them".
Likewise, "rights" are an individual matter. Constantly, especially on the left, the issue of "group rights" keeps coming up. As if one's rights were a matter of what categories one could be pigeon-holed into by others (or even by oneself). The very notion of group-based rights is antithetical to the idea of individuality.
Today, Stacey Dash (sigh) got a nasty twitter message (I guess he deleted it because I can't find it now) basically telling her to stop retweeting certain people because she's black and should act like it. Refusing to accept her as an individual, but only as a member of a pre-conceived "group".
That's what this bs is all about. Not simply lumping people into groups, but people *wanting* to be lumped into groups for the perceived power it gains them.
At the 20th Century factory, hard work and creativity didn't gain you anything; because your pay wasn't based on ability but on need. Likewise, political capital isn't made today based upon merit, but upon victimhood. Everyone at the 20th century had to declare their hardships, because that's what got them the alms. In the real world of American society, victimhood gets people the alms.
"The problem comes when the gov't pays for something that proponents say benefits everyone (e.g. providing education, propping up the financial system). When critics scream, “but that's socialism!!” what I think they're saying is, “this is not a common good, like policing.” "
Maph operates under a false premise; that the "LGBT" community is fundamentally and uniquely different from everyone else. This is like saying that the left-handed are fundamentally and uniquely different from everyone else.
He can only represent this by painting with a broad brush and lumping both appetites and genetic anomalies together, using the latter to mask the former.
Sometimes it is, but I think the most common substantive meaning is paying for private goods with public monies. A private good is something like housing b/c the use of a house could be denied to those who don't pay for it. A public good is something like policing b/c there's no way to exclude those who'd rather not have the benefit of policing. The problem comes when the gov't pays for something that proponents say benefits everyone (e.g. providing education, propping up the financial system). When critics scream, “but that's socialism!!” what I think they're saying is, “this is not a public good like policing.”
“disturbing trend I've noticed among the Tea Party is that they almost universally oppose Civil Rights, especially equal rights for the LGBT community”
Almost universally? I wonder if there are any surveys. This could be true, but it doesn't ring true. You'd think they'd want the govt to leave LGBT people alone.