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Out of Paris Accord

Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 11 months ago to Government
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This is the right move. In my work these kinds of agreements have manifested themselves in all kinds of hairbrained schemes and employed all kinds of "sustainability" snake oil salesmen. It's taken our A&E away from engineering an into the realm of emotion and malarkey.


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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bingo, All gulchers should educate themselves about The Grand Solar Minimum. In addition to Adapt2030, the suspicious observer site offers excellent solar info as well as daily solar news.
    http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/.
    Another source to use would be The thunderbolts project from David Talbot and Wal Thornhill.
    Thank you Carl for passing on this urgent info to me.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 11 months ago
    The idiots (sorry, our previous administration) negotiated (if that is how you would like to term it) this horrible agreement that does absolutely nothing other than provide billions of US dollars and losses of millions of jobs for nothing. China gets to increase its Carbon footprint and we get to subsidize every banana republic in sight! Trump did exactly the right (and sane) thing by rejecting and then offering to "negotiate" a more sane and effective agreement!.

    Let's see how this plays out! I'm sure it will be far superior to the garbage that Obama and John Kerry "negotiated"!
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is on his way to being a great president. By withdrawing from the climate agreement without referring it to the Senate, he has shown that he is a strong leader. He unilaterally has undone what Barack Obama should not have been allowed to do.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 7 years, 11 months ago
    I listened to Trump's speech live, and gave a cheer and a fist pump when he said he is pulling out of the climate agreement.

    Then I wanted to play Richard Halley's Concerto of Deliverance in celebration.
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  • Posted by $ rjim 7 years, 11 months ago
    I'm really glad he pulled out of the agreement.
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  • Posted by OrlandoGator 7 years, 11 months ago
    Obummer had no business signing the Paris Accord. He did not have approval from Congress to sign it. I am so glad that our great President trump pulled us out of it. We don't need to be giving up any control of our country to other countries.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
    Finally! We have a President that has the courage to say no to an accord that exists for no other reason than to enrich certain countries at the expense of the USA. It has little to do with the environment, but it is clearly a scam that causes heads of states to say to one another, "Can you believe those suckers in America? They must be run by children if they believe the crap we're shoveling to them."
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 11 months ago
    The earth is in no danger of too much heat or too much carbon for the next 100 years, (new estimates on the effects of Grand Solar Minimum, weakened magnetic shields and magnetic poles moving toward each other)

    What we WILL be short on is FOOOOOD! Better start growing it indoors cause the weather will be unpredictable. (see the crop losses due to cold at ADAPT 2030 on youtube) these reports are documented and can be verified.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Historical evidence supports my claim. Science supports my evidence.Your response is ad hoc nonsense. Low sunspot activity is part of the Suns cycle. The grand solar minimum is upon us and you choose to ignore it at your own peril.
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  • Posted by mgarbizo1 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Identifying a problem is the first step. Can you look at this link and give me your thoughts on it? It shows comparison graphs using the thermal data available today.
    https://lectrikdog.wordpress.com/2016...

    I also want to say that we create energy from what resources we gather from the earth, and that energy can be pointed to the cause of creating and sustaining so much human life, from drinkable water, ease of travel, and controlling facility temperatures in freezing and tropical climates that would otherwise be too difficult to sustain human life without A/C or Heating elements. And we will continue to create new forms of energy from the resources at our disposal to continue the survival and thriving of human life. I choose to consider these benefits of having energy as opposed to not having it due to restrictions that others may place against these cheap forms of energy to prosper just so man-made greenhouse gases can reverse directions. The graph is interesting because it shows what temperatures and weather patterns were like thousands of years ago, frankly, I'm not sure we could survive those temperature swings and weather patterns (all having occurred without man made greenhouse gases) even with technology as it is today.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "These are quotes from the proponents of your brainwashed beliefs"
    Not my beliefs, unless at some point after a third of the way into the book, where I stopped reading, Klein took it all back.

    I consider the rest of what you're saying in the realm of inexpensive homeopathy working but being suppressed by the medical establishment, GMOs being dangerous, aliens visiting earth but the gov't hiding it.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    These are quotes from the proponents of your brainwashed beliefs. You spout off again and again about Deniers and how it should be criminal and you back up your claim with nothing."Simply ignoring the problem is criminal "
    There is no problem it is a manufactured fear to tax and take down economic growth.
    The IPCC's game is up, the planet is not warming the sea ice is growing and Greenlands ice build is massive.
    Greenhouse gases comprise 2% of the Earths atmosphere just 3.62% of that 2% is co2 .
    And 3.4% of the co2 is caused by man or just .117% of the greenhouse gases. That is an absolutely minuscule amount of the whole atmosphere somewhere around 1000th of a percent.
    The pause in global warming caused the controllers to change the term to climate change.
    Data has been adjusted or manipulated to show a temp increase for years just recently caught are the countries of Australia And Switzeland.
    You would be wise to look up Grand Solar Minimum that we have just entered. We are going to rapidly cool starting now and sourcing food will be the most important thing you will spend your time and money on in the coming next few years this is already Impacting global food crops. Did you know the US lost 40% of its wheat crop three weeks ago as a blizzard in Kansas dumped three feet of snow and many farmers seeds were washed away with the floods and storms in Missouri Illinois Arkansas and others. Cosmic rays have increased 13% in the last two years and are to increase 17% this year. Cosmic rays cause clouds to form which in turn create an albido effect reflecting sun from warming the ground. The other nasty weather effect from the GSM is the increase in Volcanos that discharge particles
    That also block the sun.
    Simply ignoring this warning is dangerous to your families future well being.
    If you want to educate yourself instead of parroting the complicite media start at Adapt2030 David DuByne and check all his sources and do your own homework. Why don't you respond to this?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "you're going to get dinged"
    I could hire an Alvah Scarret to run things by or get advice from Peter Keating's mother if I sought approval. I don't though. The extreme claim of denying science needs to be backed up. I find it beyond absurd.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Naomi Klein wrote a whole book full of crap like that. She basically comes out and says she wants to use it to sell socialism. These people exploiting reality are worse than people denying it.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 11 months ago
    Watching Trump's speech withdrawing from Obama's climate agreement - looks like a home run so far!
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 7 years, 11 months ago
    MC wrote SOF about the time the infamous "hockey stick" temperature graph was published in Discover. Fivedollargold saw that graph and thought it suspicious, expecting a retraction. It never came. Years later, when asked for his raw data, hockey stick guy claimed he "lost it." Released emails from East Anglia University show how the climate scammers played the game. Settled science = BS. Follow the money.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please read State of Fear, particularly pages 498 to 503 of the paperback version, by the late Michael Crichton, who, until he did the research for this novel, believed in global warming,
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ”It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
    Paul Watson,
    Co-founder of Greenpeace
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
    Timothy Wirth,
    President of the UN Foundation

    ”No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
    Christine Stewart,
    former Canadian Minister of the Environment
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ”We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
    Stephen Schneider,
    Stanford Professor of Climatology,
    Lead author of many IPCC reports
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 7 years, 11 months ago
    The 'business leaders' who want to stay in the pact see it being profitable for them. They will get government subsidies and plenty of make-work, all at our expense. Extra profit means bigger bonuses for the brass :-( I'd bet half of them don't even believe in it, but they see the benefit to the bottom line.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary". H. L. Mencken
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    People don't generally take points here just for disagreement, but if you make a case and then fail to back it up, you're going to get dinged...
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