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Out of Paris Accord

Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 11 months ago to Government
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This is the right move. In my work these kinds of agreements have manifested themselves in all kinds of hairbrained schemes and employed all kinds of "sustainability" snake oil salesmen. It's taken our A&E away from engineering an into the realm of emotion and malarkey.


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  • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no accurate data ......BECAUSE IT IS ALL A HOAX TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH!

    A single volcanic eruption dumps more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than man has created throughout our ENRITE history.
    https://www.skepticalscience.com/volc...
    https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volc...
    Looking back over the fossil record we can prove that the climate has changed MANY times and for the vast majority of those changes man kind didn't exist. Why did the climate change then if man wasn't there to cause it? BTW have you read recent studies that show that there is MORE ice in Antarctica today than there was 30 years ago? https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...
    Have you read studies showing that there is MORE arable land today than there was 40 years ago? http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/A...
    More ice and more arable land...Think about that those two things are both contradictory to what the CC people claim and they are seemingly contradictory to each other.

    The chicken little's of the world love to scream that the sky is falling. I myself tend to look up and verify things for myself don't be too ashamed that you have bought into a bill of goods sold by the Looters. The vast majority of the world believes the BS also. You are only at fault if you refuse to open your eyes and see how WRONG YOUR ARE!
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct. The Democrats like Hillary Clinton are all wailing about how the United States should honor its agreements while patently ignoring that the President has no authority to negotiate binding treaties or agreements which are not subject to Senate approval. And since the Senate was never given the deal to approve or disapprove, it remains in limbo until such action is taken. It also means that any subsequent President may simply override his predecessor's agreement.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 11 months ago
    The Paris accord is a waste of effort. It has no penalties for countries that fail to meet their goals, and no enforcement of payments the wealthy countries are supposed to be making to developing nations. It is not a treaty because Obama knew that such a treaty would be rejected by the Senate.

    The effects of enforcing the agreed changes would have little actual effect on the climate, with reductions in the rate of temperature projected (even by the optimists) at numbers I would declare to be in the measurement noise. The economic effects on the U.S. would be draconian, with crippling damage to both domestic and international trade.

    Declare a sincere effort by the U.S. to improve technology to reduce the price of "clean energy," and offer to assist others with accountable development programs, but don't sign up to changes unachievable without crippling effect.
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  • Posted by STEVEDUNN46 7 years, 11 months ago
    There is NO MANMADE global warming. There is NO MANMADE climate change. To be a part of this agreement is total stupidity
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    Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick...to hide the decline." I read the Climate-gate Archive. Hell, I'm the guy who broke it out of the blogosphere and into the realm of semi-pro journalism! I had The Wall Street Journal linking to my story about that archive.

    Sadly, the site where my article appeared went belly-up, and someone sanitized everything I wrote from the Wayback Machine. I still don't know how they pulled that trick.

    But I have the Archive. I have Phil Jones' incriminating e-mail. I have Kevin Trenberth's e-mail saying, "We cannot show a warming trend and it is a travesty that we can't." And I have the data which I charted, and found that it didn't make a hockey stick. And Michael Mann knew it.

    Those guys are all guilty of dry-labbing. So absolutely anything anybody says to suggest global warming, is suspect.
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    Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 11 months ago
    While some are skeptical of the scientific authenticity of AGW its value as a political tool is beyond question. AGW is the collectivists dream. It provides justification for wealth redistribution on a global scale and anyone that argues against it can readily be accused of treason against the planet. AGW works not because it is real but because it is believed.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no problem. There is a tissue of lies. "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick...to hide the decline" says it all. 140 business jets and 1200 chauffeured limousines say they don't even believe it themselves. Why do you believe it?
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    Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 11 months ago
    The entire Framework Agreement on Climate Change, to which the Paris Summit was yet another "Conference of Parties," has its basis in fraud. "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to the [proxy] data series...to hide the decline." That's clear evidence of fraud. That broke before COP-15 in Denmark. And when the delegates got to that conference in 140 business jets, and rented 1200 chauffeured limousines--meaning every limo on the entire continent!--that should have told everybody they were lying.
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  • Posted by Mitch 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was going to respond now but I must get back to work to pay for my carbon tax. I’ll respond tonight…
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 11 months ago
    All of these "Agreements", trade, global warming, NATO and the like play upon the wealth of the US. With 20 Trillion in debt that sure does not make the US wealthy at all.
    Just as Trump said in the campaign, If you want the protections of the US military then pay the bill. China holds a lot of our debt yet they are not mandated to comply with the Paris Accord until 2030 and a lot of other major polluters have similar off sets for compliance. Dump it now!
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I"what if the Climate Change theory is based on invalid data?"
    It blows my mind people fall for that.

    The funny thing is we may find surprising new data that reveals things being more in line with what we all wish were true. It would be exciting for scientists, and good news for everyone wanting to live an affluent life, basically everyone. But it won't mean wishful thinking is reasonable.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "What problem?"
    Human activities causing/accelerating global warming

    "Who is ignoring said problem?"
    Some, not all, of the people supporting backing out of agreements to limit emissions

    "Can you quantify the problem (with accurate data)?"
    Yes, we can quantify it. No, the data is not that accurate. If we had accurate data, we could calculate exactly how much global warming caused by our activities cost others. My understanding is we have a good idea but not a high degree of certainty of the numbers.

    Even if we had accurate data how much particular emissions drive global warming and how much global warming will cost people, we'd have to adjust for return on investment. For example an activity that makes a million dollars now but costs two million in 50 years is still a net gain because that one million could grow at 3% over 50 years and be worth 4 million.

    All that is to say, no, accurate data is hard to come by.

    "How are people unwilling to pay for the effects of this problem on others?" "How is this disgraceful?"
    This is an ancient human behavior. It's similar to asking why to people steal.
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  • Posted by Mitch 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, I’m earnestly anticipating your response to my original post; no response to valid questions is capitulation on your part….
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But government has to "do something" about this climate change, and ruining the economy is the only action that government can do. Government is awesome, dude.

    (sarcasm)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Assuming that he actually pulls the plug on US participation as he promised to get elected...;^)
    Maybe we will find out later today.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Simply ignoring the problem is criminal "
    There is no problem it is a manufactured fear to tax and take down economic growth.
    The IPCC's game is up, the planet is not warming the sea ice is growing and Greenlands ice build is massive.
    Greenhouse gases comprise 2% of the Earths atmosphere just 3.62% of that 2% is co2 .
    And 3.4% of the co2 is caused by man or just .117% of the greenhouse gases. That is an absolutely minuscule amount of the whole atmosphere somewhere around 1000th of a percent.
    The pause in global warming caused the controllers to change the term to climate change.
    Data has been adjusted or manipulated to show a temp increase for years just recently caught are the countries of Australia And Switzeland.
    You would be wise to look up Grand Solar Minimum that we have just entered. We are going to rapidly cool starting now and sourcing food will be the most important thing you will spend your time and money on in the coming next few years this is already Impacting global food crops. Did you know the US lost 40% of its wheat crop three weeks ago as a blizzard in Kansas dumped three feet of snow and many farmers seeds were washed away with the floods and storms in Missouri Illinois Arkansas and others. Cosmic rays have increased 13% in the last two years and are to increase 17% this year. Cosmic rays cause clouds to form which in turn create an albido effect reflecting sun from warming the ground. The other nasty weather effect from the GSM is the increase in Volcanos that discharge particles
    That also block the sun.
    Simply ignoring this warning is dangerous to your families future well being.
    If you want to educate yourself instead of parroting the complicite media start at Adapt2030 David DuByne and check all his sources and do your own homework.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, speak of the problems in vague and non-specific terms. You give no facts, no estimates of temperature rise, no comments about benefits. It's always "You are denying the problem".

    There is no fraking problem. There's a theory, and not a very good one at that.
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    Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, CG, the looting liars who brainwashed you into feeling global warming is a problem that man created and can fix by giving politicians control over everything are disgraceful.
    The problem is not being ignored. It isn't proven to be a problem requiring any action.
    The Paris accord is theft by looters at gunpoint.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mitch is talking sense here. Are there issues regarding development, manufacturing and the environment? I certainly think so - and I'm pretty deeply involved. But, what I've seen over the past decade is regulation stacked on regulation for no good reason. Heck...I've even consulted in the drafting of some of that regulation and found that arguments based on anything other than the desire to manage other people fell on deaf ears. It's a strange mindset driving this bus now.

    I remember speaking with a high-ranking EPA official and hearing him spout complete falsehoods. That really bothered me, because he'd been given the authority to drive the bus...He was a total bullsh&%er. And, to add insult to injury he said something including how we need to "save the children"...Just total crap. I wanted to pull his tie until he turned purple...
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