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The Lack of Shame

Posted by Shrugger 12 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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The Lack of Shame

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This is a true story. It happened exactly as described.

It was around noon on election day, November 6, 2012. I was sitting in McDonalds. A group of old retired men were enthusiastically talking about the election... saying nothing of note, but with much ignorance and stupidity. I stayed out of it. An employee of McDonalds was clearing a nearby table and quietly said to me, "This has been going on all day... I can't wait for this election to be over."

A couple was waiting in line. They were a typical, mid-forties, white, middle class couple. They were listening to the old guys discussing the election and the state of the union in general.

One of the retired guys said something negative about "Obama-Care" and the middle-class white guy in line turned to him suddenly and said, "Oh yeah, well I'll have you know that if it wasn't for Obama's healthcare plan, I wouldn't have any health insurance right now."

This silenced the old guys. He continued, appearing to speak to the room in general, "Obama made it possible for me to cut the cost of my insurance by over 80%, so I voted for him again."

The entire room was silent. Nobody said a word. Before I knew what I was doing, I heard myself addressing him.

"You actually sound like you're proud of that", I said.

"You're damn right I am," he replied indignantly.

"In other words, you're proud of the fact that instead of paying for your health insurance yourself, you and Obama have ganged up on ME and have forced me, at the point of a gun, to pay for part of your health insurance. You're actually PROUD of the fact that you are mooching off of me and all those people working behind the counter in McDonald's... that you're part of a gang that is using the power of the government to FORCE us to pay for your healthcare. Instead of feeling ashamed... instead of bowing your head and cowering in front of all the people you are depending on to pay for your healthcare insurance... instead of meekly thanking them for the sacrifices they are being forced to make in order to benefit YOU... instead, you stand there claiming that you're PROUD! What do you have to be PROUD of? Are you proud of the fact that you're unable or unwilling to take care of yourself? Are you proud of the fact that you're stealing part of their wages for your own personal greed? No... shame is what you should feel. Disgrace... embarassment... and gratitude... along with a strong dose of remorse... because YOU can't or won't take care of yourself and so you joined a mob of others who can't or won't take care of themselves... and together you've figured out how to force US to take care of you. Shame on you."

Nobody said a word. The guy was stunned and his wife stood there mortified. The room was absolutely silent for a moment, then one of the retired guys started clapping... and within a few seconds, he was joined by another... then by someone across the restaurant... and pretty soon it sounded like the entire restaurant was applauding.

I had delivered my little sermon while still seated at my table. I remained seated and looked down at my meal... angry at myself for having lost my temper and butting in rather than minding my own damn business.

Within a minute or so, the room quieted down again and everyone went about their business, pretending nothing had happenned.

Then I heard the guy quietly say to the McDonald's counter person, "Can I change my order... I'd like that, to-go please."


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  • Posted by Lucky 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Simple: Stop government borrowing.
    When governments discovered debt it was a dream solution, it enabled handouts, but there seemed to be no downside as taxes did not have to rise (in the short term). There is no pleasure greater than spending other people's money. The handouts and debt just go on and up. At some point a government finds it cannot roll-over loans when they become due.
    This is happening in Europe for some southern countries. The German government imposed a few conditions then lent even more, tho' their public is critical.
    Should this happen to the US, there is only China that can come up with cash of the amount needed.
    There would be a 'price' to pay.
    Side note- what did China do to their economy to grow so fast and have spare cash? They brought in capitalism, tho' not democracy.
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  • Posted by prop3th 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree with sword's posting. Capitalism is a social system as well. Capitalism is the method of social interaction for almost any type of exchange. Time, money, labor, etc. The constitutions preamble is the over guiding theme of the founding fathers intent, and their gift. The "burden" as sword states, has in fact been paid for by the capitalists in our country. That "is' the burden. The moochers and looters who voted last week for Obama carry none of the burden. Social responsibility and accountability becomes slavery when it is not voluntary.
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    Posted by sword 12 years, 5 months ago
    Apparently the ingnorance that was pervasive in that MacDonalds, included the writer. I, along with thousand of others, are contributing to at least eight (8) different healthcare plans. Thanks to short sighted politicians and populace, we have the most expensive, inefficient and disfunctional healthcare in the world. "Obamacare" actually makes everyone have healthcare without a government subsidy, which is now paying for 144 million people (+/-). It is not perfect but it is a start. Healthy and educated human resources contibute to a successful economy and decreases the dependancy on government.
    Capitalism is an economic system only (not a social system), which provides goods and services. It has the advantage that it allows the freedom to consistantly inprove the goods and services available, by providing rewards for the efforts. However it also creates a burden on society - it requires infrastructure and resources (human, manmade and natural). If it doesn't address this burden with a sense of responsibility and accountability, that burden is magnified.
    We must stop being selfish and interpreting the Constitution in selfish ways - read the Preamble it defines the Constitution as the social compass of the American Society and the Social Consciousness of American Capitalism.
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  • Posted by murachai 12 years, 5 months ago
    The confrontations are getting more and more intense. Everywhere you look you meet these millions living on other's sweat and proud of that too!! It has become a norm rather than an exception that others should toil for "me". Many are the times one just sits amused, watching the crowd deep in the oration skills and then when the orator leaves, starts talking against him...
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  • Posted by zaticon1 12 years, 5 months ago
    Hi, I've just joined after being pointed here by a dear friend. I live in the enchanted land of California where reality and logic are the stuff of legend. I love the McDonalds story. I'm not sure, though, if there are enough clear thinking people left to put the brakes on this mess we're in. Look at what happened out here. In THIS economy, these nutballs just voted to raise their own taxes RETROACTIVE TO LAST YEAR! Tomorrow, cap and trade goes into effect. I would love to believe that, when all this fails, people will come to their senses and change course. But, the last 4 years should have been enough to cause this and look at what happened, last week. (Even though the exit polls claimed that most of the voters believed that the country was on the wrong track. :-/?) Of course, one can hope that, when Big Daddy Governmment can no longer deliver the goods, the system will collapse or the people will revolt. Revolutions, however, don't always leave a country better off than it was. We succeeded because we had a band of courageous geniuses steering our course. France was not so fortunate. Neither was the Soviet Union. We'll see what happens. I make my living from commercial real estate. Over the next few years, I'm going to aggressively pay down my two modest mortgages. Then, when I no longer need a large cash flow, I'll reduce my tenants rent to a point no higher than I need to survive. I will never buy another square foot of land, nor will ever put up another building as long as things stand as they are. Count me in With Applebee's, Papa John's and all the rest. We're all John Galt, now. Norm
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  • Posted by ProudAmerican 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only thing I wish to add to your comments is I regret you didn't mention the retired gentlemen's Medicare, that they had worked hard and paid for, will have their coverage reduced and copays raised to pay for the savings the couple will enjoy. That's if they are allowed by the IPAB.
    The retired and on a fixed income citizens are the ones who are going to pay dear for those who refuse to have good work ethics.
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  • Posted by Morry 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OR, also in short:

    DON'T BE AFRAID TO NAME THE ISSUE. Remember the power of a moral sanction -- or the withdrawal of same.
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  • Posted by Morry 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In short:

    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
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  • Posted by gwynmarilyn 12 years, 5 months ago
    Shame is not word I would use. But I have read "Atlas Shrugged" six times. So I know what I am saying. I fell in love with world the book gave us. I have never met anyone like those who come alive in the words of that wonderful book. When I was young I believe. But life sometimes hit one hard. I paid into SS and now live on it. Am I proud I must live off the state and all of you? No, but I do want keep living.
    It easier when young and healthy to think things will never make you change what you think the world should be like. It took friends to drag me to file for help. So if you want me say thank you, I am willing to say it. Also one think that many people seem to forget she spoke of Looters and those who get laws change so they can take from those who create wealth. Not just make up ways to steal other people retirement. I see the government and Wall Street are more that kind. No, I do not belong in Gulch. But I still want the third film to come to big screen. It a world I wish did live.
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  • Posted by cz777 12 years, 5 months ago

    5

    Posted by kyates3 4 days, 6 hours ago
    I'm currently a college student studying engineering. Yes, I got scholarships for school tuition, but I still work as much as I can to make it. During the summer I worked two jobs and literally never took a day off except a few days where I was ill. My dad died when I was young, and my mom worked three jobs to support her three children; my sister, my brother, and I. To moochers like that guy, I would like to give them a swift kick in the ass.
    Reply | Permalink now its very sad /evil that education is set by a mindless green /political agenda than facts ..which shows the dumbing down the whole of a nation to knuckle dragging cavemen aka dark age in the making !
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  • Posted by tpatter4 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Donate, give, but only to those who will work for it in some way . That is, use it to "teach".
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  • Posted by upsidedownjack 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    3. Call them what they are. Do not allow them to call themselves anything but the COMMUNIST that they are.
    4. Do not do any business with them.
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  • Posted by upsidedownjack 12 years, 5 months ago
    Forgive them God for they do not understand what a MAN does, who want's Free, not freedom!
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  • Posted by RGCsister 12 years, 5 months ago
    I would say there are two lacks of shame.

    One is that I found this link on my brothers page. His kids were paid for by the state. His lack of taking care of himself has caused him I'll health. He is currently a healthcare moocher. My brother and many other people I know seem to think that they are of the 1% and support a lot of policy that would leave them completely destitute. I found out earlier today that when my brother was in high school he would sit on the street corner and talk to himself and then not go to school. His support of this kind of rhetoric just shows his mental issues.

    Next on the shame list are insurance companies who have priced citizens out of insurance and cancelled policies of those that are sick to give ridiculous bonuses to CEOs. Shame, shame indeed
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  • Posted by keeponshrugging 12 years, 5 months ago
    I have been trying to figure out ways that we can all "shrug". Good going Shrugger! There is nothing wrong with righteous anger. I'm not surprised that the last election left us in the same boat we were already in. I don't know if Romney could have saved the country or not. However, it is the response-ability of ALL of us to turn our country around so may be it's appropriate that the status quo hasn't changed. It's our time -- we've all got to stand up and SHRUG. So here's a Shrug List I've started from this thread:

    1. Confront bragging moochers.
    2. Refuse to do business with moochers. (thanks Timelord)

    Please add to the list everyone!
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  • Posted by tpatter4 12 years, 5 months ago
    This is what we all need to do, but with caution. When we can take these opportunities to educate people, this can work for us. One thing that is less confrontational, as none of us wants to get beaten up, is to simply ask questions--using the Socratic method. Ask people, "Do you understand how economics works?" or "Do you know that you are enjoying the benefits of my paycheck?", etc. "Do you know what the current national debt is? unemployment rate now and what it was when O took office?" (because they probably don't hear these stats on the mainstream media), "Do you know that our U.S. Ambassador in Benghazi, Libya...?" We have to remember that lots of people simply are not knowledgeable of some of these things because they watch mainstream media, whom we know protects Obama and his liberal minions. We can even suggest certain programs they can watch or listen to, etc. $
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  • Posted by alexwalk55 12 years, 5 months ago
    I live in Cyprus, which is located at the hot spots end of the Med.

    Our small country is tied financially and culturally to Greece. It tends to vote left, like Greece, it has a high dependency on government for jobs, pensions and a quiet life.

    The goal of many Cypriots is to get a job with the government, indeed there is a long waiting list to get a job for life with no strife.

    However, the Greek crisis has spilled over to our island and we are about to get the biggest bail out per head of population ever.

    Like all European Union countries, the population has been bottle fed on dependency, my warning to all my friends in the USA is - don't go there - every penny you give in welfare will cost you a thousand dollars to get back.

    Entitlement is the worse investment that you will ever make.

    I love Cyprus, I want to live long enough to see a better more independent country, that is a hard enough task for us with just 800,000 people living here. I don't want to think how hard it will be for you my friends with your large and fast growing population do not go the euro way.
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  • Posted by Timelord 12 years, 5 months ago
    The moocher you chastised reminds me of a former friend of mine. For my own sanity I had to distance myself from him. He had declared bankruptcy 3 times, had a new car and was getting ready to declare a 4th time. He was nearly 60 and didn't have a single dime saved for retirement. He always ran up his credit cards before he declared bankruptcy, so he was defrauding his creditors willingly in addition to the unfortunate circumstances he'd encountered.

    And when it came to those "unfortunate circumstances", as it turns out they were all avoidable and came about because of a series of poor choices on his part.

    I met him through a mutual friend (after his 3rd bankruptcy) after he moved back to my state from AZ. He was coming back here to live with his sister and brother-in-law so he could get free medical care for a number of chronic conditions. He was always complaining how long he had to wait for free appointments,how he spent hours in the waiting room and how hard it was to schedule surgeries.

    A couple of times I tried to have conversations where I gently tried to get him to realize that his medical care wasn't FREE and that he was actually forcing me to pay for his care through my taxes and higher medical costs. He never got it.

    He was pretty good company, and an excellent handy-man, so I paid him to do some interior painting, repair some cracks in the walls, replace a light switch or two and to mouse-proof, rewire, insulate and put up new wallboard in a special-purpose outbuilding on my property. He did quality work - but he asked me to make the checks out to his sister because if his bank account showed incoming money it would affect his free medical care and his impending admission to the rolls of social security disability. I refused to be a party to that and made the check out to him.

    It was shortly after that when I decided that I didn't value his companionship or his handy-man skills as much as I valued my own integrity. I hired someone else to finish the job.

    Our mutual friend told me about a year after that that he'd declared his 4th bankruptcy, had his new car repossessed and had been accepted into SSI disability (even though he can work). I said, "Thanks for the update but I don't really want to talk about Dennis. I'm too disgusted by his behavior."
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    Posted by cswholes 12 years, 5 months ago
    Another "old white guy" Republican email fantasy that never really happened. Stop lying!!!
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  • Posted by no1laserjock 12 years, 5 months ago
    Really Awesome! Thanks for speaking out! I am one of those who is on the FMIP program. This is one of Obamas first health care changes: The Federal Medical Insurance Pool. To all of you, who are being extorted at the point of a gun to pay for this. First THANK YOU!!! I am honestly grateful and appreciative as well as being terribly humiliated to the point of wishing to commit suicide-often. Had I been taught and brought up with Nathaniel Branden’s 5 principles of the libertarian: 1. Do you want your children to grow up to take responsibility for their own choices and actions? 2. Do you want your children to grow up to understand that in human relationships they must carry their own weight and earn their own way? 3. Do you want your children to grow up feeling that they ought to earn whatever it is they want out of life? 4. Do you want your children to grow up thinking or feeling that the world owes them a living? 5. Do you want your children to grow up feeling entitled to what others produce without any effort on their part? … or, even with the 6 pillars of self-esteem. I do not think I would be in this hell. And if there is a hell, I hope Jesus and Immanuel Kant are writing in its depths. But I’m not bitter, oh no…
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