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The Lack of Shame

Posted by Shrugger 12 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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The Lack of Shame

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This is a true story. It happened exactly as described.

It was around noon on election day, November 6, 2012. I was sitting in McDonalds. A group of old retired men were enthusiastically talking about the election... saying nothing of note, but with much ignorance and stupidity. I stayed out of it. An employee of McDonalds was clearing a nearby table and quietly said to me, "This has been going on all day... I can't wait for this election to be over."

A couple was waiting in line. They were a typical, mid-forties, white, middle class couple. They were listening to the old guys discussing the election and the state of the union in general.

One of the retired guys said something negative about "Obama-Care" and the middle-class white guy in line turned to him suddenly and said, "Oh yeah, well I'll have you know that if it wasn't for Obama's healthcare plan, I wouldn't have any health insurance right now."

This silenced the old guys. He continued, appearing to speak to the room in general, "Obama made it possible for me to cut the cost of my insurance by over 80%, so I voted for him again."

The entire room was silent. Nobody said a word. Before I knew what I was doing, I heard myself addressing him.

"You actually sound like you're proud of that", I said.

"You're damn right I am," he replied indignantly.

"In other words, you're proud of the fact that instead of paying for your health insurance yourself, you and Obama have ganged up on ME and have forced me, at the point of a gun, to pay for part of your health insurance. You're actually PROUD of the fact that you are mooching off of me and all those people working behind the counter in McDonald's... that you're part of a gang that is using the power of the government to FORCE us to pay for your healthcare. Instead of feeling ashamed... instead of bowing your head and cowering in front of all the people you are depending on to pay for your healthcare insurance... instead of meekly thanking them for the sacrifices they are being forced to make in order to benefit YOU... instead, you stand there claiming that you're PROUD! What do you have to be PROUD of? Are you proud of the fact that you're unable or unwilling to take care of yourself? Are you proud of the fact that you're stealing part of their wages for your own personal greed? No... shame is what you should feel. Disgrace... embarassment... and gratitude... along with a strong dose of remorse... because YOU can't or won't take care of yourself and so you joined a mob of others who can't or won't take care of themselves... and together you've figured out how to force US to take care of you. Shame on you."

Nobody said a word. The guy was stunned and his wife stood there mortified. The room was absolutely silent for a moment, then one of the retired guys started clapping... and within a few seconds, he was joined by another... then by someone across the restaurant... and pretty soon it sounded like the entire restaurant was applauding.

I had delivered my little sermon while still seated at my table. I remained seated and looked down at my meal... angry at myself for having lost my temper and butting in rather than minding my own damn business.

Within a minute or so, the room quieted down again and everyone went about their business, pretending nothing had happenned.

Then I heard the guy quietly say to the McDonald's counter person, "Can I change my order... I'd like that, to-go please."


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  • Posted by WWJGD 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK, a REALLY funny quote I found on some Objectivist forum somewhere while looking up info on this Foucalt guy:

    "Among the forms of knowledge dismissed by them, especially in the case of the Deconstructionist philosopher Michel Foucault, is medicine, because medical science is merely an elite knowledge system that confers power on rich doctors. I have long believed that one of the funniest things in life must be a Deconstructionist professor of comparative literature in need of an emergency root canal, being treated by a deconstructionist dentist. ('Your pain is not real, it is subjective, let me narrate about it to you, there is no pain in reality, Novocain will just interfere with your narrative.')"
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  • Posted by WWJGD 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it's the standard response to bullshit.

    There's nothing there on that site; just a bunch of random words strung into meaningless sentences. No structure, no organization.

    Not one coherent thought; just meaningless glop. The very kind of stuff we've come to expect from acidheads.

    You see, I used to live in Eugene, Oregon. I've known a LOT of stoners.
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    Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The standard response when someone doesn't know what to say. I see you use a mass media internet sound bite to express yourself. Very intelligent. What I expect around the randroid belt.
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  • Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The point is that the person who doesn't want it will probably someday need it and then the family will have to help them. So they have really not made an independent choice but have just deferred their liability onto the family. Usually it's not just deciding you don't want to participate in the system. Eventually you are forced to one way or another and then the family gets to absorb it if they want to feel the guilt and do it. If not it goes to the tax payer. But it really doesn't. It goes on to the tab of the hospital you get carried to. And this is the way the govt subsidizes you anyway. It's very convoluted.
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  • Posted by WWJGD 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I followed the above link, took a brief look around.

    First impression: Somebody has been doing a lot of acid.
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  • Posted by WWJGD 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct; I had never heard of him before. A brief look at Wikipedia convinces me that to read or study him would be a waste of my time. I am, of course, open to hearing more. But I'm not going to wade through a cesspool of deconstructionist bullshit just to find out WTF you're talking about.
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  • Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think there is no point in my continuing to be redundant. If this will take a hot link: http://aynrand2.blogspot.com for much more so I don't have to redo things. Thanks. Also, food stamps are in a Grid of power/knowledge/capital and they cannot be discussed separately as they are in a relation.
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  • Posted by jimslag 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey Seymour, I never said that she had whatever, I just said she used the food stamps. I am well aware of what they are used for. You seem to be a very busy blogger, replying to everyone. Relate your experiences, if any.
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  • Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh really? Yes really. I am assuming you have not read or studied Foucault so if I am wrong, please enlighten me.
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  • Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ONe decades ago "that they could never be investigated by congress" . This comes from a nice presentation by A.L. Williams. Art Williams made a billion dollar company exposing the cheating of the insurance industry. He won, but "they could never be investigated by congress ever ever again. He built A.L. Williams on their perfidy. Now of course everyone knows about erm insurance versus whole life scam that went on for decades.
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    Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let me explain something to you. Food stamps are a "floating sign" of HELP masking that they subsidize big agriculture. You think they are for the benefit of "poor" people. No they are not. They subsidize the Frito Lay chips, the Pepsi and Coke corporations, the sugar and cake mix, the frozen pizzas and dinners, etc (get my idea I hope) and without food stamps their profit line would tank. Because these are the people that buy this prepared crap. Look at their carts. You are not going to see fresh vegetables, milk for the kids, non sugar items. Never.
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    Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    YOu know these ratings systems are just a way for people to gang up on others and drive them away. You really need to get rid of it permanently. They invite the gestapo in the middle of the night. Lest you think I am being paranoid I have been to boot camp with it at The Daily Kos, a progressive site that harks to the drumbeats of the SS gunboots.
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    Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. He was using a strategy that didn't work out and then used another strategy that did. I spent an evening with Murray Rothbard and some libertarians in the mid 60's. and Murray was discussing his rent controlled apartment in NYC. I confronted him in Randian style about that. What he said in essence was that you used the govt against itself. You used its strength against it. This is Rand although rarely admitted as Randian, but it is true. You judo the govt. Ai Wei Wei is holding off the entire totalitarian Chinese Govt with Twitter. He is using their strength against them. How's that for bananas? You people have got to learn Nietzschean strategy and stop this fucking moralizing like the priests you sound like.
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  • Posted by seymourblogger 12 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is the point. The Socratic Method is in the dominating Discourse of classic Hegelian Discourse. Either/or; opposites. If you argue within this Discourse you will lose because you are arguing on their turf. As Vija Kinski says in DeLillo's Cosmopolis, "There is no outside." A direct quote from Foucault.
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