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Here's another, in the same vein. One time I asked my second wife when the Civil War was fought. She thought a minute, said, "1935?" I said, no, it was in the 1860s. She said, "I went to Catholic school and we didn't have to know that." LOL

Objectivism has more in common with conservative politics than with progressive politics. The former tends to lean in the direction of individual liberty, while the latter in the direction of authoritarianism and collectivism, neither of which are part of Objectivist thought. There's more diversity of thought here than you might think, with a fare share of Libertarians and a few progressives willing to risk an open exchange with an admitted majority of conservatives.

Yes, isn't it fantastic to finally have a Republican President that acts like a Democrat Politician. This article pretty much explains it, and makes it taste a whole lot better. https://townhall.com/columnists/evans...

Mine was a protest vote as well...avoiding the lamestream candidates...however, I'll back trumpet for things he does or tries to do good.

That was a funny statement..."I don't have to know all that".
While reading Homo Deus, the author states: We study history to be free of it. The dem's blame everyone today for what they did yesterday...they are enslaved by their own history.

"So many people here think that some one central political reform will fix the system."

And that is their own fatal conceit. The Founding Fathers were very clear that their political system was based on several key principles, of which adherence to natural rights, individualism and personal responsibility, liberty of religion and the press, and an honest press (to keep the public informed) were keys. Our leaders are merely a reflection of our nation's People. Their choices to elect many of the criminals we have in office are reflective of the abandonment of the key principles that made our society great.

LOL! Not normal, indeed! Yep, a bad hair day flawed bull who makes loud rude noises breaking up lib BS in a china shop is preferable to a bribed via the Clinton Crime Cartel Evil Hag who with a screechy voice says, "I dream of open borders."
I have a modified from an AR15 frame 9mm carbine with two 30-round clips that I call "The Evil Hag" because I thought that criminal would be elected.

I would only argue that the monkey house isn't subject to only 2017, its the political theater and socialist agenda we've been living in for the past 8 years where enough americans finally said enough with this crap. Unfortunately, substituting one monkey does not change the monkey house, more monkeys need to be swapped in congress and the senate.

Why be a democrap? My son has a beautiful black girlfriend, smart, funny, quick witted. They visited before the election and, of course, we got into discussions. She was for Hillary. After discussing the first slave owner in the colonies was black, it was blacks in Africa that sold blacks into slavery, the NRA was started to help blacks own guns, it was white people that fought and died in the Civil War to free the slaves, it was white people that made it possible for Obama to be elected, that Democratic-held cities are the worst for blacks.... and on and on, she finally said, "Well I'm a Democrat because I don't have to know all that." After the election, I asked if she voted for Hillary. She said, no, she couldn't but couldn't vote for Trump either. I figure that's a win and she's headed in the right direction.....

"Not Normal" is what I voted for when I voted Trump/Pence.

Buggered by Bill would be just as likely.

Being in a monkey house with Trump is preferable to being in a sheep house waiting to be shorn by Hillary.

Not cleaver...just the way I have observed it. A racist is a racist and a marxist is a marxist...those are the hallmarks of a democrat since before the invention of progressivism...so one be judged by association till his true nature shows...like JFK...still scratching my head cause he was nothing like those things...a rarity indeed.
The true nature and history of that party is shameful...everyone should know that...of course today...the status, the progressives are the same on either side.
I fancy being anti-politics.

I know that you think that you are being clever with "demoncrap" and "Hitlery" and "the evil witch" and calling the former president "BO" and "Obamination" when he was in office. But it is just ignorant. The deepest cut to the Democrat Party is to call them that, "Democrat" not "Democratic." Their official name is not the one the detractors use. Even Bernie Sanders calls it "Democrat" because there is nothing democratic about how it is run. While damning, it is a subtle point.

Well, actually, the Gulch was never "an Objectivist house." I, too, thought that it was when I first came here. I waited 40 years for the movies. It never occurred to me that people who knew nothing of Ayn Rand would flock to the theaters. I did not understand how deeply Rand's ideas had permeated the conservative movement. But, as we know, conservatism and Objectivism are different, even opposite.

For one thing, conservatism is a political movement and Objectivism is a philosophy. Politics is a study within philosophy; and Objectivism has political theories based on observations. But, as Rand, often said, politics cannot succeed in a vacuum. See the present discussion on Huckabee and the 17th Amendment. So many people here think that some one central political reform will fix the system. They think that Donald Trump - an Ayn Rand villain - can "drain the swamp."

On a deeper level, of course, conservatism today is still much like the movement of the 1950s and 60s: me-too traditionalism, based on religion.

And, what they absorbed from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged seems largely to be the millennarianism, the Goetterdaemmerung. Reason editor Virginia Postrel warned about it (left and right) in The Future and Its Enemies. Nonetheless, on that note, we do have futurists here who write about genetics, space travel, life extension, and robotics. So, all is not lost.

Thanks. I googled Tracinski and read some of his other essays.

"Alas, the substance of the report is way more mundane. Trump has said in one interview—and nowhere else, to my knowledge—that he is a fan of Rand’s novel The Fountainhead. All of the other reports about “fellow Objectivists” are similar: they’re stories about Trump nominees at some point in the past reading, praising, and recommending Rand’s novels." - The Federalist, Dec. 14, '16: http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/14/i...

Donald Trump Is An Ayn Rand Villain The Federalist, April 12, 2016: http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/12/d...

"Anthemgate" and the internal arguments are less interesting, even to those who do understand the philosophy of Objectivism. I did not know that David Harriman left the ARI for the Atlas Society. I did have my own criticisms of his book, The Logical Leap (https://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2...) even though, over all, I did find the book informative, even compelling in its presentation of a new interpretation of induction. On that note, I am now reading How the Martians Discovered Algebra by Roger E. Bissell, another objectivist, who draws heavily on Harriman's theory of induction.

And...a couple of demoncraps Too!..that "didn't" like her.
But...they are Not racist, communist, marxist nor Union supporters...scratching my head cause what other reason is there to be a demoncrap.

Not necessarily. You've got Hillary supporters in here, too.

This used to be an Objectivist house.
Now it's just conservative.

They are not the same.