Student Invents Device that Charges Batteries with Radio and WIFI Waves

Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 9 months ago to Technology
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German university student, Dennis Siegel, invented a device that captures electromagnetic fields like WIFI and radio waves and converts them to stored energy in batteries.


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  • Posted by barwick11 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I haven't followed it in some time, and am in the middle of a million other things so I'm trying not to drag my attention back to the topic of theoretical physics right now, hehe... But basically, the theory is, all matter is simply standing waves. All particles, etc.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure I follow or agree. If it were that simple, we wouldn't have three versions of Grand Unified Theory to deal with. Hadrons such as protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, which themselves are composed of strings. Leptons (like electrons) are also composed of strings, but of different types. Electromagnetic wave-particles are energy carriers that may interact with massive particles, but the confirmation of the Higgs boson confirmed that there is a non-EM particle which imparts mass (and therefore gravity) when incorporated into a particle that is not affected by EM as we know it.

    Maybe you can explain what you mean.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting. I had to watch it again. It does look like it lights up before he touches the dog (maybe this was a second or later take, and he'd already been patting?), and then the light blinks on and off as he's patting it.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the "close force" holding protons and neutrons tight
    to one another in the nucleus is EM? -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    isn't it the static electricity which is generated from
    rubbing the dog's fur? -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ummmmm....... when the moon and the sun are lined
    up during an eclipse, do we not feel the sum of the
    gravity from both?

    it seems to me that we can empirically dismiss the
    "shadowing" idea...... my thought was and is that
    gravity is a very long wavelength energy wave
    which effectively has zero frequency in the inverse
    square formula.

    I just wish that we could finish what Albert went to
    his death trying to do -- integrate gravity into his
    equations. -- j

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  • Posted by barwick11 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In his theory, they would be probably up somewhere near the Planck limits

    http://www.blazelabs.com/pics/em_spectpl...

    Here's a link to some of his writings on the topic:
    http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-intro.asp

    But, that said, they would be so absurdly high energy it would be comical. The only way I can conceive on how they would be interacting with everyday objects without utterly obliterating them is that they NEVER actually collide with an object like gamma rays or other wavelengths do. But rather that they would simply interact by their passing near (I don't know if this happens or not), almost like a field.

    Basically, if his theory were true, it would be a "push" theory, which explains action at a distance and a number of other effects. And it's also testable with extremely sensitive sensors (how sensitive I don't know). In short, massive objects would be "shadowing" gravity at some very small level. So you have "pressure" from one side where the massive object isn't shadowing, and "less pressure" on the side the massive object is shadowing.

    In this case, gravity shouldn't "stack" with other objects, but would rather have diminishing returns. So if you stacked every planet in alignment, in theory (these are made up numbers) you would *expect* to see something like this (neglecting distance from the sun as a factor):
    Gravity "pressure" near the sun, in the direction of the sun: 1.0
    Gravity behind Mercury: 0.9
    Gravity behind Venus: 0.8
    behind Earth: 0.7

    But in reality, since each object would be shadowing gravity, you're "losing" some strength from some gravity waves as they pass through the massive object. So maybe the gravity near the sun is only 99% of the "free space" gravity "pressure". So now you go to Mercury, and instead of 100% multiplied by Mercury's expected gravity, you only have 99%. And when you get to Venus, you only have 99% + Mercury's deletion of some of the gravity strength, maybe it's now 98%, etc... So by the time you get to Pluto, you may have a significant amount of gravity waves having lost strength, and could measure a difference in *actual* gravity vs "expected" gravity from today's theories.

    This ALSO means there is a theoretical limit to gravity. It may be near impossible to get to, and may require way more mass than even a black hole could ever have, but, in theory, there would be a limit.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The other thing I'd ask is how much degradation the field experiences that is being "tapped" . There's no such thing as a free lunch after all."
    My non-physicist understanding goes like this. At less than a wavelength range, inductive and capacitive coupling predominate. Over one wavelength, these effects drop off and the friis path loss equation starts to work. With inductive/capacitive coupling, you're transferring power out of the circuit. With EM coupling (path loss equation), you're picking up a tiny fraction of the radiated power that was going to shoot by your antenna and either deliver energy to something else or just keep going.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would be more inline with how conceptually gravity acts primarily on massive objects at astronomical distances rather than at the short (and even sub-atomic wavelength) of high-energy gamma radiation.
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  • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Understand, but your Braun toothbrush used an inductive coupling approach whereby a portion of the charging circuitry inserted (without exposed wires) into the base of your toothbrush (it formed a transformer in effect). The stuff being touted today is more a near field approach where physical location of your phone doesn't matter as much as your Braun toothbrush did.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think he means on the other side of the chart, below longwave (VLF) radio. The idea that gravity is an EM field does not at all ring true to me. I love it though when something unexpected turns out to be true.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So past gamma rays then on the EM chart? Okay, I was just trying to place it in relation to johnpe1's information, which would be at the opposite end of the scale.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Note - I got them backwards. Long wavelength = LOW frequency, Short wavelength = HIGH frequency (inverse relationship). With as many times as I've had to calculate those on the fly for radio, you'd think one of these times it would actually resonate... ;)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the info.

    Ps - do you mean high frequency/long wavelength or short wavelength/low frequency. The original post by johnpe1 indicated he thought it was long-wavelength... (Wavelength * Frequency = speed of light)
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely, but as you say, it takes a huge array, impedance matching, and low losses.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 9 months ago
    maybe at some time in the future this fellow will actually make an automobile engine that runs from static electricity, and if so will he change his name to John Galt?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My Braun toothbrush has had a wireless charging capability for at least 10 years. This is nothing new, but the efficiencies always become the obstacle. You need large arrays (at huge cost) or you need superconductors (at huge cost).
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  • Posted by BambiB 10 years, 9 months ago
    At a rough estimate, a rechargeable AA cell holds about 1-2Wh of power. This device takes about 24 hours to charge a single AA battery so assume it provides 1.5 Wh in a 24 hour period, or about .06 watts continuous output.

    Generated electricity (from your wall socket) costs about 12 cents per kWh, +/- 6 cents. For comparison, I'll use 12 cents.

    If this device costs $8, it would take roughly 121 years using the device every day for 24 hours a day to break even on the purchase price… which is why this sort of technology isn't much used.

    Assuming 10% methane, a daily volume of about 1/2 liter and an energy content of 55.7 kJ/g of methane, even disregarding the hydrogen in the mix, the average person expels slightly more energy in the form of farts than this device captures in a day (about 1.66 Wh/day versus 1.5).

    So eat a few more beans.
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  • Posted by BambiB 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Isn't voltage proportional to the number of windings in the coil? And isn't this essentially a "cat's whisker" receiver?

    The problem with measuring voltage with a galvanometer is that the current generated is high frequency AC. You are, after all, converting radio waves. You'd probably want to rectify the voltage to do anything useful with it.

    BTW, you can run an Atmel 8-bit core at 1 MHz on 210µA at 1.8V. Sleep mode takes just .1µA. So you could run a 30% duty cycle 1MHz processor on 67µA.
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