How The Trans Agenda Seeks To Redefine Everybody
"It’s ironic that those leading the charge for the transgender revolution would claim there is only *one* right side to history."
"Indeed, “civil rights” is always a nice line. It works well to stop debate. There’s lots of emotional blackmail involved because of the social punishments (labels of “hater” or “bigot”) heaped upon anyone who might question the agenda."
"Indeed, “civil rights” is always a nice line. It works well to stop debate. There’s lots of emotional blackmail involved because of the social punishments (labels of “hater” or “bigot”) heaped upon anyone who might question the agenda."
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As I was driving in to work today, I moved over a lane so that some bicyclists would have more room. I thought to myself how I really like there being bicycle lanes going everywhere...but that I would NOT like the government to make me ride a bicycle when I wanted to be driving a car. And then I thought of this discussion...
It adds a whole different flavor 'to make' rather than 'to let'.
Jan
This is a question of definition ,not something to prove or disprove. For the purposes of a discussion I could accept alternate definitions.
"You are buying into the notion that there is no such thing as gender at all and that society has no need for mothers and fathers - nor do children."
Of course gender exists. Gender are the cultural ideas we associated with the sexes. There is such thing as sex too. I also believe kids need parents.
"Sociologically and morally, how do you teach children how to be good parents and how to relate to others without role models of both sexes? Answer: you can't. It is impossible."
It's amazing what's possible with hard work. It happens every day. My wife is an estate planning and probate attorney who sees the cases on a daily basis.
In that case we need a system to determine which behaviors are indeed "disruptive" to the "social structure". Then we need a set of ways for gov't to make life difficult for people who exhibit the "dysfunctional" behaviors.
If we're modelling everything on other primates, we need to look at all behaviors they exhibit.
Maybe we should just abandon looking to primate for how to behave and leave one another alone.
347 million people worldwide have diabetes. Should we force, or try to brainwash, everyone to change their diet to accommodate this fraction?
70 million worldwide are schizophrenic. Is that enough to declare schizophrenia "normal" and a "healthy alternative lifestyle"?
If you want to argue that people with confused sexual identities have something wrong with them, then you'll be arguing my position."
"Yes, the SAME "they're going to destroy society" arguments came out when blacks DARED to hold hands with, LET ALONE MARRY whites. OMFG... how horrible! "
There is no comparison; a sexual appetite is not a race... but hold on to that thought.
"I'm not racist, but I've known MANY racist people through work and relationships (some of them even homosexual), and TO A PERSON, not ONE of them has ever shown any behaviors which would evoke or provoke the kind of hatred and anger expressed here. "
See, I'd be willing to bet you weren't old enough to have lived in such a era, and are parroting what you were taught. But, I am old enough to have lived through it.
What "horrible beliefs"? That their sexual appetites are not normal and healthy? That they already enjoy the same rights as healthy people? You've led a sheltered life indeed if that rises to the level of "horrible" to you.
"If any of them (you) think you've offered any rational reasons for your opinions, you are sorely mistaken."
How would you know? I've used nothing but rational reasoning to explain the obvious, which is why you mistake it for hatred; your "reasoning" is not reason, but emotion.
"I only hope that society outlives your bigotry much as it's come SO far in battling racial prejudice (and still has a long way to go, too.) "
Well, with bigotry society has gotten at least as far as it did in the 1950s... the anti-bigotry society you postulate has at least 6,000 years to go to match its track record.
I'll tell you one thing... if the "horrible beliefs" of the bad old days had held sway back then... we wouldn't have Obama in the White House today. His mother wouldn't have let his father touch her, or gotten herself into a position where he could, and her parents would not have raised her grandkid for her; they'd have shipped him off to a Kenyan orphanage.
But, we would have been spared the anguish of this pretender in the White House. The hundreds of thousands of lives already lost and destroyed probably would have been saved. What price tolerance?
I like irony.
"And the illogic of the alleged 'arguments against everything from polygamy to incest to 'marrying your pet' is astounding."
What illogic? Your problem is your narrow-mindedness. You, in your self-declared moral and mental superiority, cannot see views outside the narrow confines of your preconceptions, prejudices and indoctrination.
What is illogical is suggesting the appetite and romantic feelings for members of your own sex are somehow the same as the appetite and romantic feelings for members of the opposite sex, yet still different from the appetite and romantic feelings for groups, minors, family members, inanimate objects, animate objects, and so on.
If my little chihuahua had not gone and died on me, I'd have had fun challenging the legitimacy of the equal rights claims of the LGBT community. No, there was no sex or even sexual appetites involved in our relationship, but there was deep, strong, binding love.
When my father died, I developed panic attacks, for awhile. When my mother died, I cried for 3 days, so loudly I still wonder why the neighbors didn't call the cops.
But when my mom's chihuahua died... I learned what hell was. For I don't know how long, about every 15 minutes, I would flash back to the last moments of her life; the look of fear in her eyes, the sound of her strangled yelp as the heart attack hit her, the feeling of helpless impotence and anguish, as she died in the arms of a stranger, the vet technician who had begun to carry her back for observation and treatment. Who are you to judge that my feelings weren't real, or relevant, or "equal" to normal relationships, while out of the other side of your mouth you try to convince people that obviously abnormal relationships are equal to normal ones.
For decades, science fiction shows have shown sexual and romantic relationships between humans and space aliens, even humans and robots. Star Drek pioneered television by portraying the first inter-racial kiss (forget the fact that Spock's parents had to have somehow bred).
In "Galaxy Quest", they took it to the next logical extreme (can't push the envelop unless you're willing to push it...)
There is a romantic and sexual relationship between one of the human actors and a squid creature from another planet. But, as the movie was PC, the ending had to be PC and they were portrayed as a happy loving couple, even though they weren't just of diferent species, but different animal kingdoms!
We're not horrible people for our beliefs; we're "horrible people" because our beliefs don't agree with yours.
I can live with that.
"Nor is her fraternal twin brother confused, either. "
Ah, so he knows that they're both sick, and that one of them isn't his parent. I see.
http://humanachievementinitiative.wordpr...
Oh, and fyi... society cannot outlive bigotry. Bigotry is a survival mechanism. We lose that, and the species is toast.
There's an incest case going on now in Germany, where the brother-sister pair married and had children. In their defense, they had been separated and placed in foster care at about one and two years old, and their sibling status wasn't discovered until they had been living as a family for several years. There's a law against incest, under any conditions, in Germany, and their children were taken from them and they were sent to prison. An appeals court reversed the prison sentence, but under the condition they remain separate and can't see their children. Thanks to public outrage, they remain a couple and free, and are seeking the return of their children. The tax man, however, insists their marriage is still not legal.
Guys peeing behind trees? At least they weren't peeing in the little flagged hole in the middle of that nicely-kept lawn...
I just worry that he shops at Wal-mart... because there have been nights when I've had to clean the women's bathrooms (you women are *nasty* in there, btw....)
Almost EVERY surface was covered with, well, excretory material. Full to the brim and then some. The only (presumably) safe thing to touch was the vent pipe. As a lot of public outhouses are enclosed squat holes anyway (not much different than peeing behind a tree), I tried to use it as such - no WAY I was gonna sit my fanny down on *that*!!! Damn near killed myself in the process. (And I was in flats... the girl leaving was wearing heels. Must be an acquired skill or something!)
Anyway... It worked. Barely. Looked next to it, the guys (of course) had a trough to pee in. Mentioned it to one of my friends there, she looked at me like "What? You've never used a portapotty before?" But surviving that, the ones over here - even the "bad" ones - are stellar.
Doesn't work that way; you're mixing fractions. 2% of the WORLD population. And you extrapolate that to the U.S. population.
Doesn't work that way. Care to measure, for example, the percentage of the global population that has sickle cell anemia? So, logically, then, you'd apply that same percentage to the population of, say, Switzerland... even though sickle-cell anemia is an *African* disorder?
140 million out of almost 7 billion....
347 million people worldwide have diabetes. Let's force everyone else to change their diet to accommodate diabetics.
each year in the United States, about 2,650 babies are born with a cleft palate and 4,440 babies are born with a cleft lip with or without a cleft palate
70 million people worldwide have schizophrenia. Is that enough to consider them a special class, and for them to demand that we consider schizophrenia a normal, healthy, alternative lifestyle?
That it affects 2% of the population doesn't mean it's normal, natural or healthy. MORE than 2/3 the population of Europe developed bubonic plague... I wouldnt' consider being plague-ridden a normal, healthy, alternate lifestyle.
The percentage of the population affected does not change it from being an illness.
Oh, no, don't bother addressing the question; if mutilation is a good way to prevent unwanted canine pregnancies, why not practice it on your sons and daughters?
No, just downcheck and move on... whoever did it... coward :)
An example of progressive attempts to change or re-define language and therefor thought is your second sentence in which you attempt to combine and conflate three separate identities. By doing so you have generated a nonsense statement
"Cultural evolution is an inherent part of language" Culture does not experience evolution. It is not genetically inheritable. It's development depends upon a 'building block' mechanism from generation to generation and group taste.
The dictionary definition of culture: culture |ˈkəlCHər| noun
1 the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively:
The dictionary definition of evolution: evolution |ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən| noun
1 the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
2 the gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form:
The dictionary definition of language: language |ˈlaNGgwij| noun
1 the method of human communication, either spoken or written, consisting of the use of words in a structured and conventional way:
2 the system of communication used by a particular community or country:
3 the manner or style of a piece of writing or speech:
So what you as a progressive socialist have attempted to do with 'cultural evolution of language' is to imply that 'culture' is a part of the natural world effected and changed biologically, i.e. 'evolution' and insert that into the definition of language.
A is not B is not C.
I admit I don't really know much about the problems surrounding that particular issue, since I'm not personally involved with it, but I would definitely support any changes in regulation and/or legislation which alleviated you of that hassle and expense.
— Albert Einstein
Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS)
Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (PAIS)
Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia
Aphallia
Clitoromegaly
Gonadal Dysgenesis (partial & complete)
Hypospadias
Klinefelter Syndrome
Non-Klinefelter XXY
Micropenis
5-Alpha Reductase Deficiency
Genetic Mosaicism involving sex chromosomes
Ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
Progestin-Induced Virilisation
Swyer syndrome
Turner syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
And yes, if we look at all of these conditions together, they do, in fact, affect approximately 2% of the entire human population. The total population of the United States is 318.5 million, which means that there are probably around 6.3 million people with some kind of transgender and/or intersex condition in the United States alone, and 140 million people world-wide.
The err. person decided to have a baby, done if I remember by insemination. Enough.
Well I am not really against any of that as long as my money is not in it. Was the child breast fed? Anyway, what should be the role of the state, if any? Is there any obligation to provide for the child? To provide welfare for the (pardon the expression) mother? Does the child have a recorded mother and father?
The study of ancient churches in Iraq is easier.
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