all the smarties are working diligently to put us back in the stone age at this time. as they kill off industry the only thing left will be stones.

The X9.8 was facing us. When the thing hit us (11 AM last Friday) it took out my cellphone connection... I was wondering what the pops and snarls were, then it hit me... when I looked at the clock and remembered when the CME was scheduled to hit.

I was surprised the extent of it wasn't greater, given all the hype and doom predictions... but then again, maybe I shouldn't have been... (Especially since I get solar activity feeds from the Space Weather Bureau in Australia)

What happens, then, if we have a legitimate Carrington event... the Chicken Little media will have already said "The sky is falling" for days, but they ALWAYS say "the sky is falling"...

When the sky REALLY falls... how will we know it's not just more media hype, until we experience it firsthand?

The driver for the UK, China, India, France, Iran is urban pollution, not climate change. London, Paris, Beijing, Mumbai, New Delhi, Tehran all have pollution far worse than Los Angeles. The Indian cities are really bad, having relied on two cycle engine vehicles like the ubiquitous three wheel tuk tuks for decades.

I've been working with a U.S. electric vehicle developer, http://www.zelectricvehicle.com/ who's developed a variety of two wheel electrics, and is now offering a three wheel vehicle that could replace the Indian tuk tuk. Lots of information on that site. Most of ZEV's U.S. customers buy the electric vehicles for the ease of maintenance compared to their ICE-powered counterparts.

Electric vehicles have a long way to go, given the best battery energy density is pathetic compared to gasoline or diesel fuels. However, as a means of helping reduce urban pollution they have a legitimate market.

There are other ways to reduce pollution, with other alternate fuels, like compressed natural gas (CNG), liquid propane, dimethyl ether (diesel replacement), ammonia (NH3, no carbon, so no CO2), butanol (heavy alcohol that replaces gasoline and diesel), but none are serious replacements yet. Butanol is the only alternative that can be used without significant modifications to existing engines and fuel tanks, as it doesn't need pressurization and has the best energy profile (near that of gasoline).

This is once again, about total government control, be it China, Britain, or the US. They know that climate change is not the issue they want us to believe, or as the UN puts it, they don't care if it is true or not, as long as people believe it is so they can control them! They are fully aware that putting everyone in electrics, when adequate electric supplies are not there, will give them control over who may go where and when. When the car charges over load the electric supply, all power will go down, which is exactly the goal of teh power hungry. Remember, Britain was the first to give us Outcome Based Education, which they later deemed a "brain drain", and which Clinton went for full force during his administration. Now we have drained brain students in both countries!

I'm not worried about the future of the internal combustion engine in cars. Why haven't people learned that when politicians announce that they are going to accomplish some lofty-sounding goal in the next 10, 20, or 30 years, that goal is never achieved? Donald Trump shot an arrow through the heart of those goals that have grown out of the global warming political hoax when he pulled the USA out of the Paris Climate Accords.

One other thing to keep in mind, this is also a great tactic to limit the population's mobility. The typical electric car has 1/3 the range of a typical gas-powered vehicle. Mobility means better market conditions for labor. It's one of the reasons you'll never get me to buy an all-electric vehicle - aside from the sheer hypocrisy in the energy sourcing!

What? You two ain't assimilated into the acceptable PC group think that's so in mainstream media vogue?
Oh, the horror of the hurricanes and the earthquakes you will cause!
Trump is now being blamed for such things for a reason!
I'll be back to scold you some more after I go figure what that reason is.

No, private.

France and Britain mean what they say and what they say is economic suicide.
China however, seeing what France and Britain will be using (or trying to use) intends to make it and sell it.
At the moment Chinese built vehicles are generally cheap and horrid, this will not last. improvement across the board is a fact, you can argue if it fervor from the top or increasing market freedom.

Yes as FFA etc observe, China, whatever they say, have a massive number of coal powered generators under construction or planned. These are high efficiency low-emissions, super-critical designs. Some may even use Chinese invented tech, some are very large. They can use low quality coal and will produce electricity at low cost. The scale of use of these will be the basis of a big export market.
China does have solar generators, they produce little electricity but are tools for promoting sales of solar plant as well as plant that actually produces.
It is a clever political and industrial strategy, the only flaw is that Western Europe is on the path to impoverishment and will not be able to buy.

I'm not talking about the hardcore ignorant who don't accept human effects on climate. I'm saying not wanting a specific kJ of energy released in one's own life to be from sources that contributed to global warming is not logical. If there a market for activities that incur a cost on others, the market would find an efficient solution.

All of it is emotional. Nothing we do will change the climate significantly; the viros don't want us affecting the environment at all. They hate industry. They hate cars as efficient, individualist personal transportation. Of course energy for electric cars has to be produced, transported and stored by some means. They especially hate 'fossil fuel', no matter how efficient or clean; they want it wiped out. The only sources of energy they condone are impractical on a scale large enough to be useful for civilized, industrial society. Hoist the jib on your hybrid solar-wind electric toy car.

Thanks for the info freedomforall, is the co public?

The incredible X8.2 solar flare , because it was turning away from Earth it may have been X20 or more https://youtu.be/N4u7Il-U0OI. And here is more
http://www.suspicious0bservers.org

"I'm not to sure what Solar farms in Az or wind farms in the Dakota's have to do with it."
Those are places where you can harvest energy without contributing to global warming. For the car user it may be satisfying to move power from a carbon-neutral source, over a wire, into batteries, and then into moving the car. But batteries are inefficient and have their own environmental costs. It's outside my area, but my intuition says it would do more to reduce global warming just to reduce burning fuel in sites with long-hanging-fruit renewable sources and to consume energy near those sources. I think the focus on car engines is emotional.

It's gona be a loooooong time before we cycle back to a warm climate and just as today...it won't be your fault.
It's a cycle cilly.
Dob and I have studied this carefully and impartially.

That'll go over big when the lights go out!...for 10 years or More!!!
It's not a question of IF but WHEN.
Just this week we had an X8 that just barely braised us and missed a following X9.

Had that happened in the earth facing position...we would gone back to the stone age for quite a while.

Pretty likely that the Chinese will steal the technology one small US company are introducing for coal plants as soon as it becomes available. It will only knock down the pollutants by 15-35%, but over 90% of the particulates and cut coal use by 15% or more - assuming that the ass covering risk averse management that runs US power plants today even consider their assumptions about coal generation are in error and consider that new tech might improve their already supposedly near perfect systems.

Well CG , I'm not to sure what Solar farms in Az or wind farms in the Dakota's have to do with it.
I don't believe in the global warming lies,
The air pollution is atrocious in Bejing and most metro areas in China have serious smog issues. Reducing those emissions would have positive health implications but for a decade China built coal fired power plants ,at one point 1 a week.
If those plants are charging the car batteries they better get some scrubbers for the smoke stacks.

I haven't studied it, but I don't understand the reason for phasing out gas and diesel in favor of electric. Is it just that's a case of burning fossil fuels that the average person is personally involved with? It seems like it would be more efficient to replace power plants with sources that do not emit greenhouse gases. My intuition says even if they have to step it up to high voltage to send it from solar farms in AZ and wind farms in the Dakotas, that's still less loss than putting it into batteries in local cars. It seems like cars would be most efficient if they had diesel engines with batteries to sink and source power for braking and accelerating, i.e. a "hybrid". If they just worked out the cost to others per unit of fuel for each type of fuel, the market would determine the most efficient approach. Someone might thing of something new. Just saying no gas or diesel cars at some point in the future strikes me as away to put off dealing with global warming into some time in the future.