This one quote shows what angry white guys mean when they talk about government overreach

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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An Interesting discussion on a weird topic tha actually meshes deeply to the root of all the social angst we have, as well as an Ayn Rand question. Do you have the right, to modify your truck to "roll coal" or emit heavy black smoke, as a way to express your discontent and outright hatred for a system that imposes it self upon yu? Do you do unto others as they have done unto you? How does perception of wrong, vs actual wrong (and how would you ever determine it?) fit together with today's manipulation and deciet?


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  • Posted by mccannon01 7 years, 6 months ago
    Forgive me, but will someone please explain what on earth "white guy" as in race/gender has to do with any of this crap?
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 6 months ago
    Pollution is a violation of property rights. And that is the business of the government. I agree that markets will impel toward excellence, but government stands in where the markets fail because personal morality has failed. A polluter is just another kind of burglar or more correctly a vandal who just destroys your property without even making it his.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All political parties are coalitions of compromised values, so the "Republicans" may not all endorse the stupidity behind rolling coal, even though President Trump's administration provided the emotional fuel for what was a fringe fear group. Ayn Rand warned that John Kennedy's "New Frontier" was fascist. Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" is all the more so.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No one wants pollution. That is what the left claims climate change skeptics are all about.
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  • Posted by rbroberg 7 years, 6 months ago
    There's no "right" to pollute. There is also no right for a government to govern pollution. Property rights govern pollution. The market for clean air or clean water is what drives pollution reduction. It is the same concept as purchasing insurance or AAA. Exhibit A from the Article is just an example of crass stupidity.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course they can protest. Better not to play into the hands of the enemy or to make the enemy more powerful by the method of protest. This is unwise and a waste of time.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, in and of itself, it is not on a lot of books, one point they made is several states are enacting laws to restrict it. So, is that morals as well, to restrict someones right to "protest". I understand if it is harmful, it becomes a different bag, but no one actually seems to have analyzed it.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 6 months ago
    I see the right to pollute on purpose in a simple (maybe naive) way. You can do whatever you want as long as you make those whose property you devalue "whole", i.e. clean up your mess. You can examine the market price for properties around a lot of soot and smoke and how much more they pay for properties without air pollution. You can calculate how many people get asthma or health problems and how much customers are willing to pay for treatment.

    This gets the gov't out of the business of determining what's worthwhile pollution: my 15 year-old car, cracking a window while the furnace is running to reduce humidity in the house, going to a water park, jet travel for pleasure, lighting a bonfire for the Solstice, riding an ATV, flying a Cessna for pleasure --- we should be out of the business of judging and just make people pay for their mess. I think intentionally making an engine pollute is incredibly stupid, but my opinion shouldn't stop people from doing whatever weird things they enjoy.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 6 months ago
    Interesting on rights to pollute, but far more interesting is whether this negative view of Republicans is at all true. This article describes how I see the Republican brand: Promoting a "zero-sum game" of demographic groups locked in struggle with one another to get an expensive, intrusive, and authoritarian gov't to wield power for their own side-- the quintessential enemy of ideas in Ayn Rand's books. This view may be partly Democratic propaganda, but it rings true.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 6 months ago
    I think these modifications are already against laws of many states at least in metro areas. I am fortunate to live where I am not compelled to have my exhaust inspected by bureaucrats every year to renew a car tag, but I voluntarily keep my vehicle in shape so it doesn't spew out excessive pollutants. The GOP has never stood for liberty and it never will regardless of it's party propaganda. This is another non issue that idiots in congresses use to expand powers of government. Secession is an idea that should be foremost in the minds of all who favor liberty.
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