Jason Brennan Joins the Brigade of People Misrepresenting Ayn Rand’s Views
Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
" blog post by Jason Brennan of Bleeding Heart Libertarians, in which Brennan claims (among other things) that Rand and Objectivists are, according to the implications of ethical egoism, “committed to the view that you should rape, dismember, and murder others when it serves your interests.” Of course, Brennan does not and cannot quote Rand saying or implying this or anything of the sort. Nor does he or can he get around the fact that the implications of Rand’s ethics are precisely the opposite of what he claims them to be—as Rand herself made clear."
Is this going to be Objectivists battle for ever? Or is it a major indicator of the successes of AR's philosophy?
Is this going to be Objectivists battle for ever? Or is it a major indicator of the successes of AR's philosophy?
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"rape scene" Perhaps I misunderstood it (although I do not think so). To me it is the most powerful statements of love I have ever read.
"train scene" I agree with you and find it to be a wonderfully explicit statement connecting consequence with beliefs as well as actions.
And your Tolkien comments are spot on.
Additionally the slanderer betrays his own evil slant. Notice that he gives the impression that murder, rape, and dismemberment is something that is commonly in one's self interest in a civil society. It would be interesting to me for him to explain why he thinks so.
Now the context of long term self-interest and in a civil society it would be very rare indeed, if at all, that rape, murder and dismemberment would be considered in one's long term self interest but with some imagination I can think of some instances where these activities may be appropriate.
For rape, consider the situation in the Fountainhead. Roark had the fantastic ability to understand people and their values, no matter how screwed up they were. He understood Dominique's twisted value system of seeking debasement. It technically is rape as Dominique called it, but how does one go about seeking to get raped when consensual would not make it rape? In full context it wasn't rape. So out of context it was rape. Either way it served Roark's and Dominique's long term self interests as they eventually got married after she failed to destroy Roark.
For murder, I can think if a situation where someone whispers in your ear (no one else can hear) that he's going to kill you and everyone you hold most dear. You noticed that people (and their loved ones) had disappeared who disagreed with this person, and it's beginning to make sense. There are additional grounds for you to take him seriously. So you kill this person later that night in an attempt to change your fate. In full context, and assuming all the other particulars line up, this is self defense and not murder, but out of context and also likely legally you've committed murder.
As far as dismemberment, I'm assuming the dismembered person will remain alive or it would just be a form of killing. My imagination is good but I cannot think of any concrete situation where this is appropriate. The person would have to be an irredeemable enemy who is trying to kill you. Killing this enemy must be warranted, but some longer range value would have to be served by dismemberment more than just killing him, such as to scare others who are part of the enemy group. These are the principles, but no concrete example comes to mind.
So I would, in an out of context sense, condone rape, murder, and dismemberment if it served a long term interest (without frustrating a longer term and greater interest) and the force exerted was either consensual (for case of rape) or in retaliation of force (or in retaliation of threat of force) exerted against you (for the cases of murder or dismemberment). This would certainly not be the norm in a civil society as the slanderer suggests.
Why is this statement so often quoted? It seems to me that it always matters.
Get yourself a copy of "True Believers" by Eric Hoffer.
http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Believer-...
They all serve their own interests, even when interpreting Ayn Rand.
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