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Jason Brennan Joins the Brigade of People Misrepresenting Ayn Rand’s Views

Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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" blog post by Jason Brennan of Bleeding Heart Libertarians, in which Brennan claims (among other things) that Rand and Objectivists are, according to the implications of ethical egoism, “committed to the view that you should rape, dismember, and murder others when it serves your interests.” Of course, Brennan does not and cannot quote Rand saying or implying this or anything of the sort. Nor does he or can he get around the fact that the implications of Rand’s ethics are precisely the opposite of what he claims them to be—as Rand herself made clear."

Is this going to be Objectivists battle for ever? Or is it a major indicator of the successes of AR's philosophy?


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My point is that the bully and coterie have their rights maintained by suppressing the rights of others. Oftentimes those suppressed have the numbers and have the ability to overthrow the suppressors, but lack the will to do so. Without an outside force to do this for them, they remain oppressed. Look at the medieval serfs and lords. One lord may rule over several thousand serfs - whom often willingly paid him tribute for the privilege They had the numbers to overthrow what was often a very small standing army, but lacked the will to do so.

    Today we have drug gangs who do the same thing in neighborhoods of most of our large cities. The people themselves could expel these thugs, but refuse to do so, for many reasons.

    While AR makes a logical case, she misses the fact that often people make illogical decisions because they don't want to take a risk. The potential harm in the short run is greater than the overall benefit, at least in their evaluation. It is rationality of a different sort.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since you obviously didn't bother to read my comments and jumped right into disparagement and ad hominem attacks, I'll disregard your statements as such. My inquiries regarding quantum computing were for my own sake - not to either disparage Rand or to "prop" up any other post - which I do with voting.

    You may not approve of Maphaesdus and his views in general, but even Barack Obama doesn't get it wrong 100% of the time (he did finally off Bin Laden). Doing so is prejudicial per se and unacceptable to the Objectivist or any other seeker of truth. Treat each question as a legitimate inquiry and set about to either sustain or disprove it with logical hypothesis. You certainly aren't going to persuade anyone of anything by calling them names.

    Like him(or her) or not, Maph put forth a legitimate conflict: that quantum mechanics do indeed cause problems for the law of identity on a sub-atomic scale - so far as we know - because sub-atomic particles have been observed being in two places at the same time or having two conflicting qualities - phenomenae that with our current understanding we can not explain in harmony with A=A.

    Does that mean Rand was an idiot? I certainly never contended any such thing. I will not speak for Maph. But using an emotional response instead of an intellectual one only highlights the deficiency in such a response - it does nothing to promote a logical debate or outcome on the matter. And neither does criticizing someone else's inquiry into the matter.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Polymythofrenic is an excellent word. My wife, who is educated in the sciences but has No Latin and Even Less Greek, was able to deduce its meaning with only the slightest of hints. She just told me that Alinsky recommends the technique--lie about your enemies, ascribing to them your own vices which they oppose.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How do you know what quantum mechanics does or doesn't contradict? What makes you such an expert? Are you a quantum physicist? If so, could you show us your Ph.D?
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, speculation is a huge part of science. No scientific inquiry can be preformed without speculation, nor can we make new discoveries without first forming hypothesis about those aspects of the universe which we do not yet understand.

    You seem to have anger management problems, and you're letting that blind you to rational thinking.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps you've written your own book about Aristotle's Law of Identity and explained how it doesn't contradict Heraclitus' philosophy of change? If you have written such a book, please share.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    QM doesn't contradict the law of identity. Any attempted principles contradicting identity as such literally say nothing. Unexpected results discovered in science are not contradictions in reality. The "contradictions" of QM are in the interpretations of those who gravitate towards the mysterious as an end in itself and who seek to spread their own confusions to undermine the possibility of rational thought.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bloom promoted a lot of "mainstream" philosophical fallacies, not restricted to Heraclitus, without ever explaining what he thought it had to do with Ayn Rand's actual ideas, which he did not address, made no attempt to articulat, and showed no understanding of in his brief anti-intellectual smear or anywhere else. If Maphesdus does not understand something as simple as why the existence of change does not contradict the law of identity he doesn't understand either and has his own problems. But we already know that. He is a willing sucker for sophistry and gleefully spreads it in his nihilism. It does not mean that the law of identity is wrong.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Legitimate scientific inquiry by scientists has nothing to do with speculative guessing about a subject you don't know in a comment helping to lend any credibility to Maphesdus poison. This has nothing to do with quantum computers, which is a topic far over his head. His interest is to trash Ayn Rand, which he repeatedly does through misrepresentation and hysterical pronouncements. Don't look for excuses.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The confusion regarding A = A for quantum physics is over the "appearance" that an electron is in two places at once.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Those that "feel somehow" may be delusional, but if not, then I think you're right, they are the worse because they are consciously defending something they know to be a lie.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have never heard quantum computing explained quite this way, but that was essentially my understanding of it as well, blarman.
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  • Posted by $ arthuroslund 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Criminals are dealt with by the rule of law. Law enforcement is another one of the necessary evils that only government can provide. A civilization's mores are cultural. Culture is defined by society's philosophical standards. Your powerless police are a manifestation of the culture they live in. Change the culture and you will seldom need police and when you do they will be able to deal with the situation in a proper manner.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Quote from ewv:
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    "Neither does it, contrary to Maphesdus, "directly address Ayn Rand's theories". He quotes from Atlas Shrugged on "A is A" (and nothing else) without understanding what she is talking about and proceeds to confuse it with mathematical equality, followed by other philosophical fallacies that are as old as Heraclitus. He "directly addresses" Objectivism in the following polemical way (with nothing else on her "theories"): "One of the strangest uses of A = A is in pop philosophy. The followers of Russian American novelist and philosophical thinker Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead, have adopted A=A as their slogan. These 'objectivists' chant 'A is A' like a mantra to ward off evil thoughts." And that's it. Maphesdus is dishonest."
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    Bloom does more than just that. He devotes an entire section to the debate between Aristotle and Heraclitus, pointing out that Ayn Rand simply sided with Aristotle, who was opposed to Heraclitus. Therefore, if we can prove that Heraclitus actually had a legitimate argument, and that Aristotle's own ideas were not the whole truth, then Ayn Rand is at least partially wrong by default, because she sided with Aristotle, and Aristotle was partially wrong.
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  • Posted by amhunt 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where do quantum mechanical principles contradict "A is A"? Perhaps the "wave" / "particle" phenomena?
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