Tesla to unveil electric big rig

Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 5 months ago to Business
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While this is interesting, the article is fatally flawed: it doesn't cite the costs of electricity to recharge the batteries, nor does it mention the recharge time for those batteries and as a result is attempting to tout unreasonably high cost savings from using electric rigs.

Having worked for a trucking company, here are the yet-unsolved problems associated with electric big rigs:
1) Range. Even short-haul delivery trucks put on a LOT of miles in a day. The current limit of 200-300 miles isn't going to cut it for most delivery routes.
2) Recharge times. A truck that isn't running isn't making you money. That's the benefit to liquid fuel: you can be back on the road in 15 minutes. A recharge takes hours. Proponents cite the mandatory downtime requirements, but those only apply to single drivers - not teams who need to get product moved quickly.
3) Recharging stations. These aren't exactly plentiful for big rigs, meaning that any notion of OTR (over-the-road) can be shot down right now.
4) Battery costs. The Bloomberg author acknowledges that Tesla is attempting to compete in a very low-margin industry. The problem is that to add the battery packs necessary to extend range prices them completely out of that very industry. Oops.

I just don't get how many people are willing to "invest" billions in this company which isn't turning a profit and isn't likely to any time soon.

A better article than the Bloomberg one is here: https://www.wired.com/2017/06/elon-mu...


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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 5 months ago
    I pulled tankers (130 barrel) in the gas fields of Wyoming, in the winter, for near five years. (Made a ton of money) and can't wait to see an electric rig when the temp is -35F with the resultant loss of battery power due to the low temp.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 5 months ago
    this guy is a silver tongue devil.
    his use of the name tesla is an insult to Mr. Tesla.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anyone can spend investment money. I want to see him turn a profit.

    "I'd rather pay Musk to build rockets than NASA."

    I'd give SpaceX a chance before Musk. They've already proven they can do it - and it was privately funded.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have mixed feelings about Musk. He is certainly adept at getting money out of the federal (and state) coffers, but unlike most who make their living off of other people's money, he is making groundbreaking technical advances.

    I'd rather pay Musk to build rockets than NASA.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Precisely, and this is one of the costs erroneously removed from their comparison.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Musk has certainly turned mooching into an artform he is the master of. Remind me if his company has ever turned a quarterly profit. Methinks that is a big no...
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even for local deliveries the basic range of 200-300 miles is pretty slim when you have to start at a warehouse - which typically aren't located in the big city where the deliveries are happening. You can burn 50-60 miles pretty quick just leaving and returning to that warehouse. That's 20-25% of your total mileage right there - not counting the actual deliveries.

    One more thing I forgot is called the PTO or Power Take-Off. It's used for everything from loading ramps to refrigeration units and runs - you got it - off the engines. That's another thing that's going to eat into your battery life - especially when most delivery trucks use it every stop.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree. I usually go 800 to 1000 miles a day when I drive to LA, and I do not exceed speed limit by more than 8mph. 300 miles a day is nothing.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Takes a lot of oil and gas to create that electricity and solar and wind are not entirely reliable.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago
    I wanted to SEE the truck!
    I don't think 300/400 miles on a charge will be enough for the cross country truckers...they usually go 600 miles on their tanks.

    All this "electric" stuff and not one word about how they are dealing with or even if they are aware of the dangers of CME's and natural or humanoid made, EMP's.
    Can you imagine one of these trucks shutting down on the highway in one of these events...bad enough all the cars will be disabled too but these trucks will have a lot of momentum to overcome in order to stop!
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  • Posted by rbroberg 7 years, 5 months ago
    There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. :)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
    No doubt Musk will have a solution that requires a few trillion dollar investment by taxpayers with a few hundred billion going to Musk.
    OTOH, maybe Musk thinks that his trucks won't have to pay the taxes currently embedded in diesel fuel. State governments will pop that bubble quickly. Or maybe Musk is expecting his bought reps in government to add more climate change regulations that eliminate the competition from diesel trucks completely. Leave it to Musk to profit at taxpayers and consumers expense.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
    You got it, blarman, Bloomberg = tout. That is how Wall Street thieves have become rich and powerful for a century. Thieves and looters. Then they tout the powerful state because it can be used to kill off any competition that would reduce their power and wealth.
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