It seems our old hobby is well represented here in the gulch. I can't say I'm surprised since most hams I've known over the years share a somewhat common view about the Republic, our culture and a "hands on" view of disaster management. Also most hams seem to share a interest in "gadgets", like guns. :)

And as I was one who proclaimed a view of the language that calls for plain speech, I'll say thanks for the conversation. Wishing you and yours a good evening.

If few respect individual rights then more guns may not actually create less crime.

If that was a question, more guns equate to less crime because the criminals have to look over their shoulder.

HUA! for the common man, and woman.

So instead of DRT he could have said he was a silent key.

Just like using the term "Galt's Gulch", and many people have no idea what that means, we have our terms to self-identify. Your eloquence just above tells me that you are interested in communicating with like-minded people, and I would probably enjoy having you as a friend, even a neighbor. Being a ham myself for over 40 years, I learned before knowing it that looks don't matter much, even skin color, since you don't ever see most of the people you meet on the air.

But I think that slackers and underachievers are under-represented in the ham bands, if only because the "looters" always want someone else to do the work for them. Most hams are happy to fire up the soldering iron, hook up the wires themselves and string the antenna.

I'm afraid that I have already taken this thread way off track, and I apologize for that.

I guess I'm just saying I agree, and nice QSO, 73.

I was being facetious, and the written form has failed me again. I know that more guns means less crime -- in this context, at least -- and I was mocking the hoplophobes.

"But how could "more guns" equate to "less crime"????" - did you really mean to ask that question or am I missing something?

What do you call it?

Isn’t the second amendment great.

okay. however, I have to believe if you are in a group of armed people probably all will have prior knowledge of the use of arms. not necessarily swat trained but knowledgeable. as fir fist fighting, from personal experience it is nice to know what it is like to be hit, makes you want not to be hit. in conclusion I believe we are on the same page.

Maybe I was not clear. I did not say one should not train. I was saying it should not be a requirement to defend yourself or someone else if needed. If you re-read my comment with my example of defending with fists. If someone attacked me, I can choose to stand there and take it or fight back, trained or not. Same applies to a gun or any other weapon. I agreed that training is important because it increases the chances of a successful outcome but I would rather be in a group of untrained people, all armed than to be in any group unarmed.

Zen - See, there are subjects we can agree on 100%. We had a small range on the back of my construction firm outside El Paso.

Every Friday we made sure we were done and equipment cleaned up a hour early for range time. Everybody stayed on the clock to shoot, or clocked up to go home and I gave everybody at least couple boxes of ammo to use up.

Depending on the laws of whatever state we were working in, EVERYBODY carried open or concealed while we worked, as long as it was legal. We had lots of rattlesnakes where we worked.

Indeed, CoM

Your only dilemna then is stitch up to the head or down to the groin

Center of mass and stitch vertically.

When a person steps into the store and announces his intent to kill people, some uber libtard MIGHT find the shooter who plugged him in the wrong, but my bet on finding a certain level of common sense in Al is a lot higher than if it happened in CA, or my state of IL.

I dread ever being in this sort of problem, but if the need ever arises, the bad guy had better not be betting on the potential of a lawsuit slowing down my response.

star, I didn't know that you were a ham, too! it was
the first thing which I worked toward (and got) after
retirement began. did the no-code general thing,
and we're still putting up antennas....

and my sister, a fine graphic artist, is doing my
qsl card. Thank You For Your Service!!! -- j

Lovely!

I agree. The language of our country is vitally important since it determines what in our society has value and what is cheapened to worthlessness. I am one of the poor folks who have great problems with spelling and being the product of public education, not much effort was expended to correct it until it was far to late. As such, I make every effort to insure my posts are concise as possible and contain as few spelling/grammar/structural errors as I can manage.

Also since I'm of an age that explored another communication "phase" called ham radio and as a licensed Amateur Radio Operator for 48 years I'm familiar with Morse code, Q signals and several other less known abbreviations. With my years of military service I had to learn a constant diet of acronyms and specialized abbreviations. All in all, I'm certain that the total I've amassed could fill a dictionary with ease.

Through it all there has been ONE lesson I've learned that has gained many followers in the various classes I've taught over the years and I'd like to share it with anybody who will listen on this subject. The use of alphabet soup letters in a conversation that spans generations, educational backgrounds, employment histories and varied special interests does not aid in communication. It ONLY aids in confusion.

So, in short, subtitles work for me too. QSL?

if you do not train then you do not know to do to counter the opposition. that is why boxers train and the same hold true for those who study the marshal arts. having an idea of what may come at you and knowing what it feels like are a must. gun safety is just that if you do not train with a fire arm you will more than likely freeze up. rethink your comment and apply it to yourself. would you like to be in combat with someone that was not trained?

The course I took many years ago was very good. I'm not saying it should be required, just that I would recommend it.

Subtitles work for me.
I thought that we here were interested in communicating among ourselves about objectivist view on many subjects and aspects of life. Using some kind of slang can be a lot of fun, for sure. But the established formal language is much more accurate, precise, powerful and universal. To me, excellent communication between and among human minds is one of the most beautiful things in life.

Maybe we can get subtitles

"we could call it consequences"
Yes.

This is not true nor should it be. A person should take responsibility to know their weapon & how to use it. This increases their chances of survival and decreases their chances of injuring bystanders. One does not need to be trained as a boxer to defend themselves with their fists. We holds true for any other weapon. :)

Well, there's that.