It would not be fair to legitimate legal immigrants. Treat them same as other potential immigrants- no special favors. They did nothing to warrant special treatment except possibly live off the taxpayers of the US for years, and that earns them my disgust. Whining illegals.

Do you really think an infant "broke the law crossing the border"? I would somewhat agree with your point (a), but context needs to be considered. As an extreme but valid example, if a "dreamer" was one day old when he/she crossed the border, and is now weeks away from his/her 18th birthday, I think that person should be allowed to stay, regardless of the parents' situation.

I agree with your scenario "(a)". "(b)", however, if the minor children of illegals have become adults, then they are like the slaves brought from Africa centuries prior who had no choice in the matter. Those people should (could) be given citizenship as a one-time deal to get this crap behind us. There could be a sifting process where the good "children become adults" get citizenship and the criminals get deported.

This is a festering wound inherited from administrations gone by that didn't do their job. Build the wall and do the job so this crap doesn't happen again.

So the children are either (a) still children and should be deported with their illegal parents, or (b) adult and they should all be deported because they broke the law crossing the border. I don't see the rationale in allowing the illegal adults to stay. They came illegally. They should be allowed to apply for immigration under the new point system based on what they can contribute and after demonstrating that they can speak English and agree to assimilate into the American culture with respect to private property rights, and all other facets of American life. They should have no advantage or be discriminated against in competition with other potential immigrants, but they should not stay in the US while being considered for immigration because they are still illegals until accepted for immigration. Any preferred treatment is unfair to other potential immigrants who did not break the law.
The Democrats should have their noses rubbed in how their unfair proposals discriminate against "legal" immigrants.

I would not support a “path to citizenship” for those who come here illegally of their own free will.

I would support a “path to citizenship” for those who were brought here as children and had little or no choice in the matter.

Such a policy does need to be accompanied by enhanced border security – a wall or something else – to prevent further incursions by the first type of immigrant above.

I prefer Trump’s approach to the approaches of the “mainstream” Republicans and Democrats.

What me dino finds interesting is that the Jackass Party turned down Trump's offer for a deal and actually called him a racist.
From what me dino gathered for listening to talk radio, Rush Limbaugh expressed that he is wondering if Trump expected such a reaction.
The Jackasses want it all. No wall, open borders, zillions of new Democrat voters~public safety, the Republic, our culture be damned.

We disagree on this Mike as we do frequently.
Your examples are not relevant and you know it.
You question my principles? I don't work for the state and I never have.

ffa- yeah, nah.
Almost every kind of migrant from every continent, bodies fat or thin, skin yellow or gray, culture stone-age or sophisticated, assimilate into nations that accept migrants. Many migrants do not have the host nation's standards, but these can take perhaps a generation to acquire.
I doubt that crime rates are statistically above average.

But now, there is a category of migrant that has no intention of assimilation, or even of co-existing.
They are collectivist by admission.
So Ayn Rand made no specific mention of these.
Well, show me Rand's answer to the question-
Should this nation accept mass migration by persons who have a collectivist common culture
requiring them to hate, rape and enslave others?

Read about the Wall Street bombing of 1920 September 16: Italians. Then there were Sacco and Vanzetti. And the Jew traitors Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. ... I mean, I reject the arguments. I just point out that they have been made before. The anti-immigration rhetoric always has been and remains collectivist in general, and racist in particular. Do you really want Freedom for All?

Ayn was an immigrant who admired and assimilated into the American culture, as many European immigrants did.
Her answer might have been different if she was still living and was asked the question today given the acts of terror that have been done by immigrants since she died.

"With the ongoing debate about Trump’s immigration ban in mind, it’s worth revisiting Ayn Rand’s thoughts on immigration. Rand never discussed this topic at length, but in the Q&A following her 1973 Ford Hall Forum address, she was asked: “What is your attitude toward immigration? Doesn’t open immigration have a negative effect on a country’s standard of living?” This is her answer:

'You don’t know my conception of self-interest. No one has the right to pursue his self-interest by law or by force, which is what you’re suggesting. You want to forbid immigration on the grounds that it lowers your standard of living — which isn’t true, though if it were true, you’d still have no right to close the borders. You’re not entitled to any “self-interest” that injures others, especially when you can’t prove that open immigration affects your self-interest. You can’t claim that anything others may do — for example, simply through competition — is against your self-interest. But above all, aren’t you dropping a personal context? How could I advocate restricting immigration when I wouldn’t be alive today if our borders had been closed?'
(Ayn Rand Answers: The Best of Her Q&A, edited by Robert Mayhew, p. 25.)"

From The Ayn Rand Institute, here: https://ari.aynrand.org/blog/2017/02/...

Did someone just wake up and discover that, if you go back far enough, everyone's ancestors came here from somewhere else. Each ethnic group had to face the "last man over the bridge" crowd (the slaves were on a time delay and are still working through it). The melting pot is like a slow cooker and it can be messy but I think it still works. People used to come here because they wanted an opportunity to make a better life. They were allowed in, despite all the negatives, because they were needed as workers, mostly in jobs that the existing population did not want to do. Now their grandchildren are the white collar types that would have always been welcome and even incented to come.
We still need people willing to work, to assimilate and help us grow. What we have is a dishonest system that is based on bigotry, racism and misunderstanding of the need for elevating society by pushing up from the bottom as well as pulling from the top.
Mostly because I know a little about them, my wife's grandparents on her father's side are my favorite immigrants. In 1912 Marino and Palmae came to America from a tiny little town on the Adriatic coast of Italy. One of Marino's uncles had somehow ended up in NY and wrote him a letter that there was a man that recruited immigrants from Ellis Island to work in the coal fields of West Virginia. Conditions were poor in Italy and WWI was looming so these newlyweds got on a train to Naples and a boat to NY. I have seen the passenger list and a picture of the boat. Passengers were listed as 1st class, 2nd class, 3rd class and "Passengers from Naples". I do not think the latter accommodations were very swanky and the boat barely looked like it was seaworthy. Working in the mines has never been a desire of mine, even though I grew up in a mining town. Marino worked every day until he retired at 65 and he and Palmae raised 4 children. All of their children were high school graduates, hard workers and married to non-Italians. All of their children went to college and are mostly only 1/4 Italian and mostly married to non-Catholics. At the time the grandparents arrived in WV, Italians occupied a social station only slightly higher than the Negro miners that came from Alabama. In 100 years all the "immigrant" issues of that family have disappeared and they are all just Americans. They aren't poor, some are far from it but they made their own way.
To me, we need an immigration model that encourages this type of immigration, not the corrupt tangle of laws that aren't even obeyed. It doesn't matter what color people are, what religion they follow, what their political beliefs are. If they have to assimilate to survive they will be fine. If they can live on welfare and gather in ethnic ghettoes then we will have problems like Europe.

I tire of people making such fallacious arguments, too.

Will the last one in please lock the door?

Widely making the rounds. I think it started at Mother Jones... I clipped a screen shot of the Tomi Lahren paragraph from the CNN story.
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