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Altruism or Benevolence?

Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 1 month ago to Philosophy
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This is an area badly in need of clarification. So, with a little help from some perceptive minds, let's explore: There is a great confusion in the minds of most people concerning the nature of altruism or that it derives from the principle of benevolence, good will and kindness toward others.Advocates of altruism take great pains to encourage this belief--to establish a "package deal" so as to conceal from their victim the actual meaning of altruist morality .

The view that altruism and benevolence are the same is a great error. Altruism holds that man must makethe others above self. Such a view is worse than mistaken; it is a perversion entailed in the technique called "the big lie."It represents the exact opposite of the truth;altruism and benevolence are not only different, they are mutually inimical. man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the moral justification of his existence, that self-sacrifice is his foremost duty.A philosophy that tells man that he is no more than a sacrificial animal . This is not an expression of benevolence or good will.

Let us do a thought experiment, a device which served Einstein so well.:Ask yourself what your reaction would be if the person you loved were to tell you:"Don't imagine that I want to marry you out of any selfish expectation of pleasure.Don't imagine that I see anything to admire in you,or that I find your company interesting, or that I enjoy our relationship any manner whatever.In fact, I find you boring and thoughrolly unappealing.But, I wouldn't be so selfish as to seek anything personally from our marriage.Don't imagine that your thoughts or feelings are of any actual interest to me or that I do any of the things I do for you because I care for your happiness -- don't think that there's anything in it for me whether you're happy or not. I'm not an egoist, after all I'm marrying you out of pity,out of charity, as a duty I'm marrying you out of compassion for your flaws, not admiration for your virtues because I know that you need me. I'm doing it as an act of sef sacrifice"


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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 1 month ago
    Benevolence: 1) disposition to do good 2) a: an act of kindness b: a generous gift 3) a compulsory levy by certain English kings with no other authority than the claim of prerogative
    The first two definitions are voluntary, the last compulsory by claim of authority. I think one of the first and largest problems of humanity to think and act for one's rational self interest is the belief that authority can command the violation of morality and the subjects must give in until permission is given to be objective and act on one's own volition.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The video looks like phrases (yes, subjects or objects with no verb!) and sentences spliced together making it impossible to know what he's saying.

    He calls capitalism a sexist, homophobic "system", which I think is categorically wrong. Private ownership of the means of production has nothing to do with bigotry.

    Later he says people must be prepared to take up arms if necessary against laws passed by a democracy that creates tyranny of the majority. I agree with him on that point.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Cultural Marxism simply takes the failed methods of Marxism and apply some new and updated methods to a culture itself. The goal is to destroy a capitalist system created by the “privileged white males.” It is taught in schools, colleges and universities,
    https://youtu.be/JhmUzP4ahmc
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I think this "cultural Marxism", PC, etc, do not exist. Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged described the real unhealthy behavior patterns that come from altruism. PC and the like are empty political slurs.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    " "saving" the dysfunctional male to make him better, "
    I wonder what would happen if those men were indeed "saved" and rose up as strong individuals. It would be revealed to be a horrible Jim and Cherryl relationship. They want to be patted on the back for taking in strays rather than have a real relationship with another person.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    A cheaper way out of this conundrum is to just walk barefoot in the grass, on rocks, sand or even cement...tile, grounded to earth, works as well.

    Grounding gives one a cone of protection similar to a mast on a sailboat.

    Authorhouse or any other book site (download): The Fight for Conscious Human Life. PDF format.
    Now that I have become a slightly better writer, I'm not so proud of my first attempt.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Ooooh, -- expensive.
    Name, publisher and best place to buy books written by esteemed compatriot, Old Ugly Carl
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It was only good for gama and micro waves but cosmic radiation goes thru most anything...need a hat made of monotomic gold which "Deflects" these rays away from one's head.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Laughing.
    Never had the problem while writing the first book, now that I am writing all the time...F.Fumbling seems to happen often.

    Must be the additional cosmic radiation messing with my coordination skills.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Why don’t we just give the ones that shout the loudest, break the most stuff and make the most outrageous demands, a safe space? A place where if anyone hurts their feelings, those people will be punished? We can call that safe space earth.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It all has to do with hormones and blood flow. They are experiencing huge body changes accompanied by glandular caused emotions and in some cases no outlet, or sometimes many outlets which take negative or positive forms.With anticipation and training these "feelings" can be funneled into positive areas rather than typical random spurts of energy guided by half-formed brains.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    They view their self worth as it is reflected tn the gratitude of the recipients of their largesse. If they are unappreciative -- better still. They can then add martyrdom to their self esteem.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Seduous. Good word, had to look it up.It is words like a raisa little delight to reading. in the home-made cake of language that brings a delight to reading.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Not all teens are these “typical teens.” What caused the “untypical teens” act differently? Or, act much more rationally?
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Typical teens. They are all "Rebels without a cause" which the more rational of them will outgrow. If not they become the true believers , the "useful idiots." They are the entertainment outside; the sideshow tent hoping to lure you in for the sideshow which never lives up to te promise of the outside lure..
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It is my f'ing, fumbling typing technique.. I went to the Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe school of typing.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years, 1 month ago
    Do you think that altruism also causes societies to coddle, thus encourage, the rise of these poor PC schooled tribes of easily triggered narcissistic winey neurotic tantrum throwing snowflakes (AKA useful idiots of cultural Marxism)?
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  • Posted by exceller 7 years, 1 month ago
    Commendable effort to clarify terms.

    I say commendable because the confusion will be permanent as long as humans populate this earth. It is not because the distinction if difficult to perceive, it is because humans are lost in the great fog of society's rules, which makes sure the distinction will never be clear.

    Even though there is an easy way to know it: one is mandatory the other is voluntary.

    Your example of the person admitting that he/she is marrying another out of self sacrifice is a case of pathology. There are cures for that but considering that the majority of humans suffer from some kind of psychological condition, it is commonly accepted. Very few possess the logic of John Galt.
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  • Posted by Lucky 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Dr Z. Quote-
    A woman chooses a man that she can change for the better, she never succeeds.
    A man chooses a woman hoping she will never change, she always does.

    As for altruism and benevolence, so much does more harm than good which is not surprising when noting that actions are often based on feelings. I am unconvinced that it must be like that as Rand describes in Atlas Shrugged. This is a good topic and I hope for some good contributions.

    For this forum the starting point is that trying to do good with other people's money is Wrong, and very likely to fail. But that is just the starting point.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, (Bad fingers).
    Referring to a time when she, nor I were spoken for...but you get the drift anyway.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Did you mean: Concept?...laughing

    Once one understands these concepts, yes, it's simple but remember, it is progressivism and the uneducated left that has confounded these concepts.
    I saw the need to untwist them from altruism.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago
    Dear Herb7734,
    Your sedulous distinction tween
    Altruism and benevolence is
    unexpurgated. Agreed the connection in the big lie is essential . The greatest evil (IMHO) is to fraud the world of their voluntary generousity and benevolence to assist humanity during natural disasters.
    Leaving the victims worse of then before.

    I am going to nominate this for post of the year.+1
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