Oregon Governor Kate Brown Defies Donald Trump, Refuses To Send National Guard To Protect Border

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years ago to Government
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Hmm...seems she could be biting off more than she should, along with Moonbeam, Trump can invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 as amended:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurre...


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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm pretty sure that's where the term "Knee-jerk liberal" came from: Unthinking, reflexive reaction to anything they hear that they don't like. The nerve impulses never get to their brains (admittedly, a small "target" to find), but simply go to the spinal cord where a response is fired back.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The National Guard lies under the direct command of the individual States' Governors. Many think it is the holdover of the State militias from before WW I. So no, Trump can not just call them up - he must have the Governors' approval. The President of the United States is the Commander-in-Chief of the national forces, so he could use active duty personnel and the only recourse would be for Congress to refuse to authorize payment for the activities.

    Yes, there absolutely are political ramifications, but the rest of your paragraph is political spin. The primary source of each and every deficit is not the taxation, but the spending. Democrats have been more than happy to spend money like water. Remember that during Obama's first four years (when Democrats controlled Congress AND the White House) deficit spending went through the roof to the tune of an average $1.3 TRILLION every year (Democrats didn't even bother to pass a budget for five years). So don't even try to make this a partisan thing. I'm not going to defend the recent spending Omnibus bill because I believe it was reckless, but any attempt to paint this as a partisan problem ignores the realities of the past 100 years where Democrats have ALWAYS been the party of spending and big government. You can review the history clear back to Woodrow Wilson to see this.

    I would also ask you to specifically identify acts Trump has taken to increase Federal control. Trump's EPA head is rolling back the onerous restrictions and interpretations of the Obama regime which threatened to make every rainwater puddle an EPA matter. Trump's HHS head is rolling back the intrusion into the education system (remember Michelle Obama's pet project: lunch menus which resulted in even more waste?). Trump's tax plan simplified and rolled back tax rates on everyone. So your last claim is just patently false. Trump isn't perfect by any means, but he's not issuing Executive Orders defying immigration policy or paying off his crony buddies like our previous President.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years ago
    Being the govenor of a state means you have body guards. they should take them away from her.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years ago
    Kate Brown is a stupid leftist, uneducated in the ways of geopolitics and economics.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years ago
    Has anybody else noticed that the photo in the article shows soldiers in soviet equipment....probably Russians? Can the press get any more stupid? .Of course since Oregon is governed by a socialist oligarchy....may be the national guard there is soviet?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years ago
    Trump has greater tolorence than I do. I would send troops to Oregon, declare martial law, oust Governor Crazylady and move on. Of course, I'd be doing everything that would be even worse than the Crazylady's actions, but boy, would it ever feel good.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years ago
    If the President declares border control is a matter of national security, his authority overrides that of state governors. The use of national guard troops to conduct operations in the national interest is routine, with many serving in the Middle East today. As long as the national guard troops are not used for domestic law enforcement, there is no violation of Posse Comitatus, so all the melodrama by snowflake governors is irrelevant.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years ago
    I think we should construct the wall around California and Oregon, and maybe WAshington state too. That way they can accept as many poor, downtrodden refugees just wanting the goodies of the united states, but the rest of us dont have to worry about them coming out of those states and infecting our communities.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Except the remaining sane people inside California and Oregon. Do you plan on sacrificing them to the greater good of the nation?
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  • Posted by Esceptico 7 years ago
    I say we should send all illegals to California and Oregon. Then everyone is happy.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, if you think that everything going on is due to the faces you see in the parties today, you are sadly mistaken. Just as AR had in AS there were lots of people who made dumbass decisions for their donors and sponsors (like grapefruit) that lead to bad consequences. But there are huge groups of wealthy people who have specific agendas and deal through layer after layer of insulation, Soros is one example. 18 billion to his "foundation" will buy a lot of politicians forever.Isn't it funny how these "foundations" always appear to be innocuous do gooders and always seem to be interested in things that benefit their donors?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    "political morass is much more complicated"
    True. I'm sort-of joking because Republicans sometimes talk as if the GOP were about limiting gov't size. They're not meaningfully different, but it's easy to say, "wow Party A is for expanding gov't," as if Party B weren't.

    "the parties (both) are not ruled by anyone we see"
    I think it's clear to see who influences the political parties. You can find out the donors and voters in people's districts. I think that is very simple.

    "Trump was an anomaly caused by the arrogance of the elite"
    I think the notion of "elites" is empty political rhetoric. It remains to be seen if a clownish president is the new normal in a world where media are democratized. I do no think people elected a clown based on particular policies or behaviors they see as crap. They just wanted something crazy and different. If the next two presidents are clownish, watch if they're the same type. I say they will be different. You'll see people like (but from the next generation) Oprah, Chuck Norris, Sean Penn, Bernie Sanders, an evangelical preacher. The only thing they may have in common is they're "against the crap the elites try to pull" without stating what is the crap and who are the elites.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    No, do not be so simplistic, the political morass is much more complicated and the parties (both) are not ruled by anyone we see. Guaranteed. Trump was an anomaly caused by the arrogance of the elite who discounted the unwashed masses tolerance of their crap.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years ago
    I don't understand the legalities of why authority and command of the national guard are separated.

    Regardless of the legalities, there are political considerations. President Trump is the current leader of the political party that stands for a bigger and more intrusive central government, but his support within the party is tenuous and he won by a fluke. He successfully set a path to double the deficit, but for political reasons he must tread lightly in the path to increasing federal government power over the states.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh no, you are missing the point, they do use emotions, as an effective weapon to defeat logic and truth, and they do it ALL the time. The famous "for the children" excuse that is rolled out 2,3,4 times a year to justify more looting is an example. They prey on peoples weakness, fear, and insecutiry, by promising to "fix it all" and it always has a huge price tag to it, and nothing is ever fixed, then they rerun the same excuses next year. All the money disappears, because you cannot find any accounting data, just sanitized "budget documents" and all the money rolls to PERS to keep it afloat and the Dumbocraps in power. This is the same exact model used in Washington and Oregon and Kalifornia, and is what has worked. The people seem to feel powerless to stop it, and the groups getting the free rides cheer and vote for them again. I have been looking for rural property in Oregon and Washington and Washington easily has double to triple the property taxes for the same comparative properties, because of these tactics.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    It was revealed the Gov Kate Brown received funds from Soros a few days before her Oregon National Guard decision . They claim was made by Judge Jeanine on Fox .
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  • Posted by exceller 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    React with emotions? Try left wing "resistance". Nothing emotional about it. These States are determined to say "no" to everything Trump does while pouting that their candidate did not win. There will be times when these States will beg the rest of the country for help. Let's hope they will be remembered and treated accordingly.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years ago
    I saw her interviewed this morning. Oregon, California , Conneticut ,NY , Minnesota ,and
    Washington all have Governors that react with emotions .We are the UNITED States . It is The National Guard not the State Guard. Designed to protect US citizens and to assist in times of crisis. That is what we pay for "a first line of defense"
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years ago
    Who cares? I'm sure that there are 35 states that will gladly send the Guard and those are states where kids are trained as hunters from age 10. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guard in Oregon ignored the governor and volunteered, too. Trump doesn't need help from wimpy Ducks. This just makes her look like a cowardly anti-American traitor. Yes, that is an accurate description.
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