Maybe Authoritarianism Is What It's All About
Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years ago to Politics
[Repost to correct error in title.] I see most mainstream politicians and are not that radically different. They accept a bipartisan consensus of the government managing things, taking responsibility for the economy, and gov't spending remaining a big fraction of GDP. So when I read about a bitter partisan divide, I'm baffled. I just don't get why anyone is so fired up. This article in the NYT says it's because of levels of authoritarianism. I'm not of this answer, but it's better than any others I've heard. If I'm right, politicians are convincing people to hat one another over minor personality differences. The article quotes a paper titled Idealogues Without Issues. I love that title. "The three authors use a long-established authoritarian scale — based on four survey questions about which childhood traits parents would like to see in their offspring — that asks voters to choose between independence or respect for their elders; curiosity or good manners; self-reliance or obedience; and being considerate or well-behaved. Those respondents who choose respect for elders, good manners, obedience and being well-behaved are rated more authoritarian. "The power behind the labels “liberal” and “conservative” to predict strong preferences for the ideological in-group is based largely in the social identification with those groups, not in the organization of attitudes associated with the labels. That is, even when we are discussing ideology — a presumably issue-based concept — we are not entirely discussing issues. "Identity-based ideology can drive affective ideological polarization even when individuals are naïve about policy. The passion and prejudice with which we approach politics is driven not only by what we think, but also powerfully by who we think we are." Affective means emotionally driven. I had to look it up.
Trump is doing nothing for individual freedom. Whatever he temporarily does that is good for the economy in some way despite his statism and unpredictability is an accident drowned in the combination of his bad policies and the downward, collectivist, authoritarian trend of the country. His anti-intellectual emotional shoot-from the hip thinking is adding to that. Range of the moment 'man on the white horse' and "'purists' shut up" does not help.
Ayn Rand did that but could not do it all alone or all at once, which is why she spent the last couple of decades of her life after publishing Atlas Shrugged publicly speaking and writing on non-fiction -- in defense and explanation of her philosophy -- and on contemporary trends. She urged that those who agreed with her ideas go into the professions where they could spread and apply them. Understanding that and what is required is far more and much different than the emotional conservatives running around with their inconsistencies, believing their slogans about tradition and faith will make any improvements as they undermine reason and egoism as required for political freedom and pursuit of happiness.
Yes. I say the Constitution is broken; it doesn't have teeth to limit gov't. ewv will say no document can have teeth. It depends on the philosophy of the people.
I wish there were some amazing communicator who could broker some great agreement to limit gov't. That's probably the person-on-a-white-horse wish.
I don't see an obvious path to reducing gov't size/intrusiveness.
So he is realizing he really can’t accomplish much of the swamp draining he promised. The establishment doesn’t want it drained
I don’t like protectionism. If he isn’t doing a tactic, I disapprove totally
I think he is pandering and weakening his positions in hopes of keeping some majority in 2018. Too bad but I say he is realizing the establishment is winning
All he can do is slow down the spread of collectivism with his veto
I don’t hold out much home for the country at this point. It will become another Venezuela before there’s any chance of change
"It's also contrary to the tea party movement, much of which has supported it."
Why do you say the tea party movement is contrary to authoritarianism yet supporting authoritarianism?
The election did not "create" an "authoritarian moment". Trump has been authoritarian all along and so has politics before his election. Only the style of openly anti-intellectual, loutish rhetoric has become worse. As the "man on the white horse" claimed to save us from the authoritarian swamp he and his supporters are only further entrenching it. It isn't "built on several long-term trends that converged"; it is the trend. It's also contrary to the tea party movement, much of which has supported it.
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