Their logic is unsound, as Sarek would say... however, that means nothing to socialist peasants. But that is why I see this as all being engineered.

Oh, they are already on the bandwago, Oregon is gathering signatures for banning and confiscating all "assault weapons" tht have the ominous detail in it "all weapons with magazines that hold 8 or more rounds". That will cover most weapons as all my pistols, mt AR and my 30-30 can hold 8 rounds or more. However, since they all fell to the bottom of the lake when the canoe tipped over, I guess they won't get mine unless they go diving....We can fight back...we have to lower our standards and honesty and start lying like they do.

OMG, he has been a reporter for three or four years, and is now an expert, typical millennial. Have a conclusion, and supply statistics to support it. Delphi Technique. Since guns are banned in some countries, how about the full murder statistics, since they will use whatever they can get, knives, bombs, explosives, poison gas, vehicles. How about some twit like this actually doing the reesarch into each school shooting to see that schools are the problem, not guns. Politicans want to give schools more money now for safety. Crazy, since what they do in those schools is what is driving the kids mental! Is here no reason left int his country, esp. among college educated young people? Schools, and their call for more kids on psychotropic drugs, their weakening of the students, thier, constant psychological branwashing, that is why kids are so messed up. Everyone one has to conform to the group or be ridiculed. Individuals are discouraged and bullied. Kids have no inner strength to stand up to these actions, they only know they have self-esteem they did not earned, but teachers said they had. They have no idea what self-respect is, nor do the teachers. Teachers call tehmselves "change agents", and this is what they have brought us.

Homicides per Gun, you gotta be kidding me. Maybe I have some 35 guns or so, and not one of them has committed a homicide, not even a single one, not even a little crime. * United Nations Data, you gotta be kidding me again, we know how the United Nations thinks, they only talk about those nasty Israelis. The UN and CNN are synonymous with each other, they make up whatever fits their agenda. "The problem is guns, not mental illness"? Wow, another joke. If it would be stated "The problem is politicians, not guns", then I could agree. * Firearm suicides, how many total suicides where they don't have guns? Perhaps if I don't have a gun I just won't kill myself, yah sure. Tell it to a friend of mine that ran his car in his garage until it killed him. * How about taxes, I contend taxes cause criminal behavior, even suicides, and politicians are totally to blame for taxes, they create the need for more taxes every time they meet. Have you ever seen taxes go down (other than Trump's attempt)? I also contend that since the last administrations stirring of the pot again has revived unjustified hatred, confusion, mental illness, even down to our youth. It has made it a lot more dangerous to do the jobs we actually pay others to do to protect us. Just think how stupid that is, we pay for protection then we demean our protectors so the freaks attack and kill them. Sounds like mental illness to me. Even if our youth are not concerned or just plain ignorant of politics, they can't help hearing all of it from the media as to just how unfair life is here in the United States. Again, what's happening in our society today gives me more understanding why He eventually takes us away. I'd like to ask the author just how many dead students would be acceptable from a knife attack or even a bomb incident. Then could you continue to blame guns for dead kids?

Bull

I have my "Black Guns Matter" decal for entertainment.

Notice, the cherry-picking of "industrialized nations". None of those European nations or Canada have Mexico and Central America on it's border with 22-30 million illegal immigrants within its boundaries.

The highest country for gun deaths - Honduras, with 670 murders per 1 million annually., compared to about 46 for the US.
Guatemala is very high - 300 or so, El Salvador - 270, Brazil - 207, Columbia, 180, Mexico - 65, and Coast Rica at 60 - all of which come here by the pipeline and yes, a lot of them are criminals and gang members. Their gang wars certainly spill across the border and continue here.

Why don't they mention that? It would suggest that building a wall will help, that stopping illegal immigration would help, and shipping the criminals back would help. - All substantially more than "gun control". You can't buy a firearm legally in any of those countries - yet it certainly doesn't stop a criminal from obtaining one.

I still think it's hilarious, the left thinks guns are a mysterious technology akin to Artificial Intelligence and if you can't buy one in the store, you can never obtain one. LOL... I reload thousands of rounds of ammunition every year by hand, it's not exactly rocket science.. I have a lot of electronic and robotic tools to make it easier and faster, but ultimately I can do it by hand with a simple balance scale if I have to.

Building a functioning firearm is not difficult either - the French Resistance built STEN full autos in the kitchen with plumbing parts.

Lack that mental illness plays a part? I'll call Bullshit on that one. While it's probably not much of a factor in suicides or crimes of passion, basically every mass murder has had a serious mental illness. Even California recognizes this with an automatic ban on firearms purchases if ever held on a 72-hour mental facility incarceration (known as a 5150).

If guns cause school shootings, then why dont girls do it too? They have the same access to the guns. Is this proof that the problem is not the guns?

We used to have segregated special education programs for autistic kids, slow kids, mentally ill, kids with mental defects, etc. Now, under Common Core, they are all lumped into "general population" complete with the idiotic new "math'.
Apparently, the assumption is that kids will act like adults (instead of kids) and not pick on the kid in the front corner jerking off every day (that actually happened when my son was in high school - his Junior year the kid's mother came to the class to try to "explain" that her son was special and that masturbating in public wasn't a sexual thing, it was just how he calms himself so he can "concentrate".. so every day for the year, the kid masturbated to orgasm in math class. Lovely for the janitor... The 15/16 year old girls were supposed to look the other way apparently.

Add fuel to that fire with Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Tinder, etc.. and you not only have bullying non-stop in the school like there always has been, but now includes 24/7/365 on social media.

Simultaneously, the left has been so successfully eroding faith in society, that now there are large percentages of youth that are actively cynical, if not completely apprehensive to religion. Apparently, the left is offended by "Thou Shalt Not Kill", "Thou Shalt Not Steal", and "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife" - all things that tend to send communities into a tailspin.

Reportedly, the first girl shot in Texas last week was the one that refused his sexual advances. If you notice - out of the 10 dead, 8 were girls.

America's population exceeds all of the countries mentioned. The answer lies more in the area of education than in confiscation. Guns are primarilly used by honest citizens as weapons of self defense. They are highly effective for that purpose. We should br checking out what causes people to fly off the rails and using guns to kill,. I think that there is also an element of self-glorification in the form of martyrdom, but most martyrs have a cause whereas these killers seem only to want the cause to be the killing. Very insane.

Closing government schools would be a good move. Making attendance optional would be a good first step.

Pick the weapon you prefer to be killed by! Let us count the ways, guns, trucks, bombs, fire, knives, hammers, swords, Axes, poison, rope, rocks.
Evil people and those who are mentally deranged have been killing since the beginning of time. The methods and technology have changed but the end results are the same, you're dead and if your death was intentionally caused by another human then it does not matter in the least what weapon or method that person used. What caused that person to have the desire to kill is what does matter and until they get a handle on that all the rest is just psychobabble. He can stick his facts where the sun does not shine and I will keep my gun just in case I run into one of these people with ill intents. Funny thing about being a human being is that God taught us and gave us the ability to survive and spears and bows just don't cut it these days. You can bet your ass when the SHTF the first call that writer will make is for a cop with a gun.

IN the article he states, "As I see it, the core issue is that America as a whole refuses to even admit it has a serious problem with guns and gun violence."

I couldn't agree more; however, the serious problem is the Lefts desire to remove guns from Law Abiding Americans. If we would embrace Firearms training at the lowest levels. Teach gun safety, beginning in the homes of course, but also in the earliest grade levels. Encourage marksmanship starting in the early teen years and sponsor events. It would increase the amount of armed responsible adults; thereby, greatly reducing the likely hood of these kinds of events. While also providing for people who could head off these events earlier in their occurrences.

These events aren't new; however, their media coverage is so all encompassing now that it seems far more impactful than in years past.

Fact #1. America has a unique "problem". Truth. Yes, America is the only nation in the world which recognizes the individual right to protect one's own person and property - especially from the tyranny of government. And that's a big problem for the big government folks. What also doesn't get acknowledged is that the primary cause of firearm-related deaths in the United States is gang violence.

Fact #2. The problem is poor gun control. Truth. Proper gun control means 1. knowing what is beyond your target, 2. only pointing a firearm at something you are willing to destroy, 3. never putting one's finger on or near the trigger until you are willing to destroy something, and 4. always treating a firearm as if it is loaded. And even before that is a proper respect for the rights of others - especially a right to life. What I find most galling and hypocritical is that these same loud-mouths advocating gun control are more than willing to support abortion and oppose the death penalty. They are also the ones most likely to impose restrictions on owning a firearm for mental health reasons except ones which really matter (see the Parkland Florida shooter).

Fact #3. Gun control works. Truth. It works great for enslaving or decimating one's political enemies. Hitler used it to great effect in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's. Stalin used it to great effect in the 1950's, as did Mao in China and Pol Pot in Cambodia. Together it is estimated that they slaughtered more than 100 million of their own peoples. But what are those numbers in comparison to a school shooting?

Fact #4. State and local actions are not enough. Truth. It is the halfway principles that are being peddled that are the problem. It's okay to push violent video games, okay to slaughter the unborn, totally wrong to punish criminals because they are just misunderstood, and totally okay to allow people to live in their own fantasy worlds instead of having to mature and deal with the real world. People have a right to a good job, housing, healthcare, and good education but they don't have a right to life or liberty or property.

Fact #5. America needs to go further than anyone wants to admit. Truth. We need to get back to teaching American values: hard work, self discipline, self-reliance, personal achievement, invention, ingenuity, respect for human rights and especially what those human rights are. We should be teaching civics courses in grade schools and high schools (along with basic economics) in order to emphasize TANSTAAFL. We need to eliminate the cancerous federal welfare programs which promote sloth and an entitlement attitude. And yes, that is further than America wants to go.

It would be interesting to see the data cherry picked further to exclude the deaths (and populations) from Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, and a few other urban wasteland's in the US.

I grew up at Dothan, Alabama, home of the Peanut Festival complete with a parade, a fair, a beauty pageant and other stuff.
It's hard to find a rock in the reddish clay soil great for growing peanuts and fashioning dirt clods and getting into dirt clod fights was fun.
Ancient slingers oft used river rocks (rivers around Dothan are dirty brown runs over mud just like how the the Mississippi looks in New Orleans) but ancient slingers also melted down lead into round balls called bullets, that being where the word "bullet" came from.
This way, a school shooter can be greeted by a hail of bullets. Get it? A hail of bullets!!
Bwahahahahaha!

People still read from Vox?

Mass shootings seem to always take place where the shooter knows there will be little if any resistance. If it is desired to stop unnecessary deaths start with larger causes, eliminate cars and drunk driving deaths will be eliminated. No more ball bearings to be made, they can be used as projectiles in home made bombs. No diesel fuel and fertilizer so that bombs can't be made. Arrest all the people associated with the killings as in; not the NRA but the democrats and socialists, they always seem to be the ones doing the killings. Although the leftists always point at the NRA as being a culprit none of the shooters have ever been connected with the NRA, when information about the shooter leaks out it seems they are socialists. Eliminating them from society would seem to be more useful than eliminating guns.

Nickursis, you are right, I see your point now. There is nothing more evil than the liberal left (aka communists), except I always said that people here have no idea how evil they are b/c never lived under communism.

Your sentence "thus we have to ban all shotguns and pistols, now" is spot on. Remember how Obama used to say every time he demanded one of his dictatorial measures: "we have to do it, now". Everything had to be done right now. Obamacare: "we have to approve it, now", we can read it later. It must be one of the Alynsky doctrines.

Notice a lot of attacks happen in the south, where they have yet to issue their rock buckets?

Ah, you miss the propaganda point, by adding in BOTH they make the argument that this nut job loves the control and the strict rules that would have protected him from the evil coaches and kids harassing him, then adds the psychological justification of his actions because the evil right wing Nazis of course will make you all kill others, and the evil commies will also do said actions, all in the name of the control freaks which is the bottom line of the Liberals emotional arguments. They keep pushing the the right wing will control all of you and allow all this evil to happen to every minority, female, race religion, sexual orientation. This kid just attacked that all. AND he attacked it using the evil shot gun and pistol, thus we have to ban all shotguns and pistols, now. Add that to the evil assault rifle attacks and now you have programmed all the SJW/Liberal/peasants that ALL guns are a threat to the future of the liberal agenda. They caused several "assault rifle" events to make sure that item is their number one target, because with those gone, if they get control, no one can really revolt because shotguns and pistols are the modern day equivalent to pitchforks and spears.I predicted after the last Florida attack that the next one was a shotgun or pistol, because whoever is running this OP is going to make the psychological oint that ALL guns are bad and must be taken. That is their ideal state, but they went whole hog on "assault" rifles, as they will be a real impediment to their control. Hillary's loss really scared the deep state, and notice that there has been a huge surge in these incidents since then? I don't think it is a coincidence, I think they got real worried there might be enough people who do not want their control, who could be a threat.Call me crazy, but I lost all my guns in the lake when my canoe tipped over, that's my story....

CG, uh yea, the data is cherry picked, it is skewed and what is not said is the clue to how totally innacurate it is. Notice the "US gun death" chart and the bar is out the roof and all the rest of the countries who are "civilized" and have strict gun control are so nobel and safe. BS. It does not mention that other forms of murder are used in those "civilized countries, such as knives, samurai swords and hammers. Leave that tidbit out and we are barbarians, add that in and the whole world are barbarians. All part of the programming.Makes the whole gun argument an excecise in Liberal bias and emotional "you are gonna die today" argument, all invalid. The one purpose of taking the guns is to make sure we cannot revolt in the future, period.

I would like to see independent analysis of the numbers in the article. It says US has 29.7 homicides by firearm per million people. Two graphs down, it show US having 90 gun-related deaths. Does that mean the ave gun homicide has three victims?

I'd like them add more countries to the scatter plot. It looks cherry-picked.

I'd like to know how many of them were crimes. Homicide just means killing people. Killing a criminal in self-defense to save your life is "homicide".

But let's set all that aside. Suppose the general thesis is correct. Suppose gov't could take away guns. Suppose that could make US homicide rate from all weapons fall to one sixth, as the article claims. That numbers in the article show that saving 15,000 lives a year. That's powerful. You have to put that on a scale next to the rights lost. We could save >15,000 by banning cars, and it would be a big step to fight global warming. Does that mean it's an obvious common-sense measure that we should have enacted long ago? I wonder if we could save thousands of lives if we dropped any pretense of following the Fourth Amendment. What about banning any speech that might be controversial enough to cause violence? I guess the author of this article puts 15,000 lives a year on a scale and weighs it against gun rights, and things the lives are worth more. We shouldn't stop trying to find away to stop murders, all murders, but I think there are direct and intangible benefits to citizens having the right to guns. I actually would agree with some kind of strict licensing, registration, and background check, if I didn't think they were a backdoor way to ban guns altogether. These articles make me think there are people who are just not into guns and therefore don't see it as an important right, so thousands of lives easily tips the scales for them.

Imagine those idiotic buckets of rocks used for bullying and breaking windows.
And me dino suddenly recalls the Dukes Of Hazard using bows and arrows due to past convictions legally forbidding them to have guns.
I occasionally get catalogs with which I can mail order crossbows, throwing knives and all sorts of sharp nasty stuff.
Molotov cocktails are easy to put together. Wine bottles work the best for fireball breakage ignition..
Yup, without guns, its still easy to kill kids armed with silly buckets of rocks.

Better than leftist solutions like disarming the people and supplying children with buckets of rocks.