How far does "live for the sake of another man" go?

Posted by $ servo75 6 years, 8 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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I'm wondering something after watching the movie and (almost done) reading the book. How far does this "live for the sake of another man" go? Is it possible that the gulch has gone from one extreme to another? Have we gone from "It's your job to provide me with food" to "Sure you can borrow a cup of sugar, that'll be 50 cents." Aren't there shades of gray in between? Are favors not allowed at all? Is volunteering your time not only unexpected, but actually frowned upon? If someone asks me to borrow some milk because it's Sunday night and the stores are closed, I would give it to him, under the expectation that I will need his help someday. Perhaps for example, he is a car mechanic and one day he'll find me stranded with a dead battery. If it's really a close-knit community, I think that karma and the possibility that someday you will need something from them, does create a form of self-interest in doing that favor because someday you'll need them. I'm not living my life for his sake, I'm voluntarily doing what I can to make a better world in the expectation that the favor will be returned, or at the very least paid forward.

Also, if all residents must take the oath separately, does that include children and infants? What about providing sustenance for a spouse or children? Is it expected that once a child nears adulthood, that they do start earning their keep at least in some small way? I'm fairly certain that a striker would not, for example, charge rent to his underage child, but based on the rules Galt states in the book, I don't see any room to accommodate that.

What do you all think?


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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't mean for it to come across that way. It was simply food for thought, based on some general impressions that I got from the book.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But nit-picking isn't important.
    You topic is very apt and a common, unjustified, criticism of Objectivism.
    Your question is a good one to ask. Hopefully our answers will put you at ease. You don't need to be a selfish jackass to be in Galt's Gulch. Quite the contrary.
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  • Posted by mshupe 6 years, 8 months ago
    Where do you get the idea that individualism is asocial? Quite the opposite. Benevolence is intrinsic to begin human, its in our nature. Only those who want to sling uninformed and angry insults make that claim.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago
    Well, my take on that is quite different.

    I reserve the right to help whoever I wish in what ever manner that I wish. Their is no prohibition against helping one another. The vow is that you will not FORCE anyone to do so.
    I owe you nothing and you don't owe me anything. But, for me anyway, love is an inherent part of our human nature, so loving and taking care of a spouse, child, friend etc is as natural as can be. I don't need nor demand any payback for my caring about others that I choose to care about.
    I suggest that you go for whatever it is you want to be generous about and be proud.

    Mine may be only one voice but hope that helps.
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