I stuck with it until our daughter was sent to a private university. But, they knew me well by then, at the gov school here. They tried the Delphi Technique on those of us on the Stat. Plan team, to try to break us. My "handler" had a nervous breakdown during the process, and another of our gang, had his two handlers, refusing to speak to each other. We knew our enemy and how Delphi worked. By high school, our daughter was doing her own subversion of the brainwashing. She now has two Masters and is a COO. They will have to take me kicking and screaming to the World Order and UN Agenda 21. I cannot just see evil, I am compelled to discredit it. The whole family is that way. Our daughter's eye were really opened to the agenda when she read "Anthem" by Rand at age 10. I had given it to her, no pressure, a few hourss later, she had read the 90 page novel and said, "Now I see what they are doing to us!"

It's hard to find, but it was discussed and dismissed because the authors thought people would understand what they meant. We have somewhat the same problem with the 2nd amendment, where the original Pennsylvania text spelled out plainly it was to discourage a tyrannical government and for general self protection, but the convention adopted the abbreviated version under the assumption that people would surely understand its purpose.

While I agree with your comment in theory, I doubt the current "college education" is adequate to understand the Declaration of Independence, and any study of the Constitution is purposely biased to destroy any possibility of understanding.

Did anybody propose "general safety and security"as an alternative?

Are you still there? Or did you leave, in order not to be a part of that horrible stuff? How frustrated you
must have been. I remember in 8th grade, when I was sent to my guidance counselor (this was routine, I believe everybody was sent), who happened to also be my 8th grade math teacher, (the one who didn't want to clarify the processes about how to get an answer, and told me, "There are some things you have to take on faith")--she mentioned one possible career as schoolteacher. To me that would have amounted to collaboration with the enemy, and I replied, "I don't want to be a schoolteacher." At least she and I never discussed that notion again.

Despite the Congressional Dimm's having post-graduate degrees they don't understand the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution. They are not representing their constituency who may be smarter than they are. They are relying on the dumbed downed Millenials to keep them in office. I find it appalling that many who are interviewed on television have no knowledge of Civics, or how the three branches of government supposed to operate.

The Federalist authors did indeed contend that was their intent, but the alternative, "general safety and security" was never adopted. The idea of a welfare state was foreign at the time, so as the AntiFederalist authors predicted, we have fallen victim to Leviathan, the giant nanny state that believes it should hug us to death and deprive us of individual liberty.

I spent time every week in the hallways, either tutoring, addressing bad teaching content, or as room mother. I was put on the Strategic Plan team to stop me from writing letters to the editor. I saw group hypnosis on 4th graders by teachers, Maslow group therapy on 5th graders (Maslow called it dangerous outside a therapist's office!), and one child in my child's class attempted suicide after a session. They were told there is no I in Team, much like rand's "Anthem. They were told there is no right and wrong. Then there was values clarification in health class. It just goes on. Academics was the least of their intent. They asked that 1/3 of one 3rd grade class be put on Ritalin. It was just awful, and it was all coming in after it had been fully implemented at Columbine, per Clinton WH.

I have often wished they had never put it in. I view it as unfortunate; but I interpret "general welfare" to mean that if everybody is protected from crime, the people benefit generally.

I read it as a child. It was in the back of my 7th grade history book, which, with all its (pro-Confedercy) faults, did at least contain that. Also Jefferson's Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom. But from the Declaration I got the phrase "unalienable rights" (or I may have read it as "inalienable", book's error or mine?), and when I would argue with people about rights, including my father, they often did not seem to understand that a right was natural, and existed whether the government recognized it or not.

The home schooling movement. And perhaps, in some ways, gradually stripping public education of its power. Sometimes people propose year-round schooling. This, where it occurs, must be fought. And if someone accuses you of wanting to do away with public education, reply "D**** right! You bet I do!" If the person asks why, reply that school is not a police function, and does not protect man (includes woman and child) from the use of force or punish same; and, also, school teaches thought processes, and that should definitely not be controlled by the government. (This reply is to Stormi; I didn't get it into the right slot).

Ayn Rand wrote an article (published in 1971) about the American sense of life, as contrasted with the European one. She mentioned that too.

And yet, I believe the Enlightenment caused it. (the Revolution).
Also, Jefferson was called the "Virginia Voltaire". (I
think it was meant as an insult. But still, his writings were great).

I agree with Abaco. You don't understand basic liberty either. You only understand the watered down, propagandized, enslaved liberty that remains today. Abaco means the liberty literally as described in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights as applied to all American human beings. Reduce government power to that overtly stated level and the result will likely be real liberty and free markets.

I would head over to Burger King (where I worked, actually), and talk to the manager. If they have room for you, and are willing to match the coffee price... it's worth considering.

Also, you might have to teach the people at BK how to make coffee. LOL

"almost nobody [understands basic liberty]. That's blasphemy."
Really? I see it in all places and walks of life within the US. I see it in Europe, but not nearly as strong. I've only traveled to a handful of countries, but America seems the best on the initial gut reaction to "I have a duty to follow my parents' wishes" or "We should strive to be like the saints who devoted themselves to God and helping others." There's more of an immediate "you don't have to put up with that BS if you don't want to" reaction than in other places.

Oh, several of us have contacted the woner online, and he sends this super gal down who whips things intohshape for a few days, but shortly it is back to business as usual. We have gone this cycle multiple times. The owners has about a dozen stores now, and rarely comes into town.

Well, I would take pictures, and find the OWNERS info (usually an 800 #), and I would call, and find out how you can email them the photos. Or text them the photos.
I worked fast food (Heck, I've done everything), and the structure is usually that the owner lays out the money, and has to hire people to manage the stores. Once you buy in a second store, and usually a 3rd or 4th is now required to be successful. But that means it is not usually "Owner Operated", and there is usually a lot of trust going on.

I really believe if you contacted the owner, and send the pictures... they would realize they have a problem.
What is probably happening is that this store is posting excellent numbers DESPITE the bad service (and that has a way of changing), and when it changes... Things will suck. There is a McDonalds down the street from me that I have stopped going to 15 years ago. I wont set foot back in there. Same kind of stuff. Too close to the Express way, and it was dirty, overly busy, and disorganized with the worse help.

Back then, they did not really post their phone numbers (or I missed them). And I have called a few places. they are happy to get the feedback, because THEY ARE NOT THERE. I hope this helps. If you can leverage the technology to make it take 2-3 minutes to let them know... you might be surprised...

God Bless!

I can relate to those elevators, which I really avoid if possible. I used to have to cover Muni Court for the paper, which was one way up (elevator). It was so bad even the the Fire Chief got stuck in it for two ours! I have found that millennials have an inability to listen, and will space out when you order in a restaurant, leaving you to gt whatever they come up with. I have learned to watch the eye, and if they go blank, I stop the order until they check back in.

We are a smal lOhio town, with one of the busiest McDs in the area. We have a road age situation as people sit in line for 20 minutes and have issues with pulling in front of those next in line. Kiosks, we have six of them, but then the person ha to get in line to pay with cash! If you go in after 8 p.m., the store is a disaster of full trash, tables not washed, junk on the floor. I chalk that up to teen managers who want to be one of the gang. If they didn't have the best coffee,with a senior deal, we'd be at Burger King, which is always clean and adult managers.

Here's a better question. Considering all the CRAP we had as REQUIRED reading.
Why was the constitution NOT ONE of them. We had 1/2 a year in civics and it was mostly BS. A little bit about the bill of rights. AND how the Constitution was a LIVING document (Utter BS).
The structure of local government.

Nowadays, they don't even get that... BUT they DO REGISTER them to vote before they are 18 and enlist them as PRE voters. Automatically activating them when they turn 18.

Now, that means, if you are here illegally, they handed you a form, you SIGNED while being BELOW the age of consent, that is NOT VERIFIED that you are a citizen, and they issue you a voter registration card AUTOMATICALLY.

BTW, David Hogg even did this. And in August of 2017, he had his name removed from the voter rolls. I found that strange... Why? (It may have been his father is ex-FBI and just cleaned it up, but I found the timing suspicious)

Don't get me started about the quality of service at McDonalds. There is a reason they are going to a higher wage. To attract people with a working brain. (Also, thank God they are putting in Kiosks)

You can see things unraveling all around. In a building where I do some work there are 5 elevators. They don't work right. People get stuck in them all the time. Nothing gets fixed. Eventually, somebody will probably die in one. Most of the time, eateries screw up my order. Most things get messed up, forgotten...oopsy. It reminds me of what I saw in the Cuban influenced Miami 20 years ago. I'd watch construction workers just stagger around on the jobsite, no concern for the job at all.

In my office, until recently, I was "the kid". I'm over 50...

"I wonder how many people understand the basic idea that their life is theirs and the state is something humans construct" - almost nobody. That's blasphemy.

When I was in high school I felt the premise behind the American revolution needed to be understood, and investigated the writings of the Founders to determine where the ideas originated. They didn't just dream up the concept of America, they were well educated, drawing from the likes of Cicero, Montesquieu, Locke, Celtic and Iroquois governance principles, as well as the English documents and principles.

After that, I carefully read both the Federalist and AntiFederalist papers to understand what the intent of each part of the Constitution was, from the viewpoint of the authors. The most telling point I got from the AntiFederalist was that the phrase "general welfare" would be a major source of governmental abuse, recognized even then.