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Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago to History
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By now, we are all familiar with the problems faced by America relative to illegal immigration. But, there was a time, early in the 20th century,
when immigration was welcome and sought after, with many square miles to fill. Just about all you needed to do in order to be an immigrant was was to be healthy enough to remain vertical. If you saw the beginning of "The Godfather Part 2" you got a pretty clear picture of Ellis Island. In Poland and Russia Jews were were confined to "shtetles" ( Little States) within or nearby a city. Unless they were either professional men, land owners,or shopkeepers who dealt in necessities (butchers, bakers, food suppliers , etc.) they were so poor that many of them literally starved to death.This is about my Grandfather on my mother's side.

My Grandpa, Manus (Mike) Sherman, his wife and daughter live just outside of Lublin the 4th largest city in Poland in what we call today the Ukraine. He was a non commissioned officer in the Polish army., from which he defected at the outset of World War 1.He changed his name in order to keep from getting caught.and his passport wouldn't sound any alarms because he stole the I.D. off of a dead soldier. It's about this part where I tell you a couple apochryphal stories that circulated among immigrants.There were dozens of themand here are just two: Jews hated the army. In those days, they had good reason to. They had no loyalty to the repressive country in which they lived and they were treated even worse in the army than they were as civilians.

At Ellis Island many of the men, especially those from Germanywho were fleeing the Kaiser's conscription were loathe to give their real names, and on one day they decided to all say "Ich fergessen" (I forgot.) The closest to that in the ears of a minimally educated official, was "Ed Ferguson." That day a hundred or so Ed Fergusons passed through Ell Island. Here's another one:: Before going on permanent AWOL many would steal the wallets of the dead soldiers, not for the money, but for the I.D.Hence our new family name on my mother's side became Shermann, the second n getting dropped when Grandpa got ajob.Another great incentive was that Ford was paying $5 a dayand once the rumor was confirmedyou couldn't hold back half of Europe from immigration. $5 was a month's income in Poland.

"Mike" had a few bucks saved up from many years of manual labor so he traveled to Detroit, where he got a job in construction, building the Rackham Memorial Building, a Marble palace in the cultural center which also contained the Institute of Arts and the Main Library, also marble clad masterpieces.During this time my mother developed rickets from malnutrition so, her mom sent her to live with her parents who owned a small farm. For the first time in her young life, she was able to eat decent food and lots of fresh vegetables and eventually she grew strong but never achieved what should have been her full height.Grandpa told me that he couldn't believe his good fortune. To be able to live a life that Americans took for granted. He got hired at Ford making more money than he ever imagined.Enough to pay rent, clothes, food, and even some to save.He loved Amerca and learned English as quickly as he could so he could become a citizen. By his accent some would call him Russian(same as A.R.'s). "I can tell by your accent tht you are Russian." His back would stiffen up and he'd look the person in the eye and say, "Not Russian, American!" While he was proud to be an American , he still retained some old country habits. He drank only Corby's whiskey when indulging because it was the cheapest rotgut. He also like Slivovitz, a very potent plum brandy. It was said that after uncorking the bottle, the fumes alone would make you drunk. He loved caviar. Not that expensive blsck stuff that you daintilly put on crackers, but the orange fish eggs that you could smell 2 blocks awa when he opened the jar.And that's the difference between 1920 and 2018. Every family had its own stories of coming to America. I have just skimmed the surface. I have had the good fortune of being 1st or 2nd generation depending on which side you look at. As I was growing up, I heard various aunts uncles and, of course, parentstell me how lucky I was to be born in America.They were right.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's ok. A religious belief is not dependent upon on any secular court for support or approval.
    Those who are Catholic are free to live by their beliefs and not have abortions. They just can't prevent others from getting one.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. That is why I am not a practicing Catholic. However, that is not the teachings of Christ, which are individualistic.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So...you are comparing Catholicism to Islam You certainly have a point. I guess we tolerate Catholocism more because it's more western and therefore more understandable to us. The question is which is more barbaric? To Americans it's Islam, hands down. In my area most catholics are either Irish or Italian, two ethnic types I seem to like better than Middle Easterners whom I got along with fine when I lived adjacent to their neighborhoods.Hmmm. I think I may be a bigot.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's the entire difference."They strived for the American dream." So many come to this country but their hearts remain where they came from, and so do their politics. In our parents and grandparents time, the honor was to become an American and not scorn the chance given to them by the freedom to become whatever you're willing to work for. My Grandpa was a working stiff, but on weekends, he rented a booth at Eastern Market and sold produce.along with my Grandma. They wound up owning the two family flat they lived in. In Poland or Russia, that was beyond their dreams.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have Muslim friends that say precisely the same thing. One has provided me a list of passages from the Quran demonstrating the “New Testament” version of the most often quoted “Leviticus” statements.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I stand by the statement. Catholisism has institutionalized murder, lies and oppression for an age, all for power.
    Today it still institutionalizes forcing women into slavery against their will in child birth, based on dogma, not science.
    Most recently, the Vatican has endorsed socialism and essentially communism, supporting fiscal slavery for all, in a pathetic, last gasp to maintain its numbers among the poor in South America. The hypocrisy of the Vatican calling out corporations as evil for seeking money is a bitter comedy.

    Little could be more orthogonal to Objectivism.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Islam needs just that, and it has to come from the top of the religion, with the aggression being ostracized by the majority within. Until then, the aggression is a cancer among willing hosts.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only "probably"? The irrational theocracy did not lead to a reformation, people's choices for something better led to the Enlightenment after many centuries of struggle. Being against one form of theocratic rule was not enough. We don't need Islam to show how destructive it is. We know what is right. Those who still don't will not learn it from Islam's antics.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rejecting the establishment intellectuals is appealing. How he does it is not. His erratic, contradictory outbursts are not leading to anything good, and we will pay for it. It is not enough to be just against something; it matters what one is for. Contradictory deals for the sake of deals in his economic nationalism are not reason and individualism.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It has nothing to do with the argument against abortion. It is a fact that when different choices are made there are different outcomes and it matters that people not be controlled to prevent their own rational choices.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Church dogma is not an aberrant thief; it is the Church's position. The world is full of competing and contradictory faiths all claiming to be "Christ's teachings", which are at their root mystical injunctions to live for a supernatural world. All of it preys on ignorance and leaves nothing but force in place of reason.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What the Church supports is its teachings. It isn't just the sordid history like burning at the stake. The Church established and fought to maintain the ban on contraception until it was overturned by the Supreme Court, and still promotes preventing abortion.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was brief mention on Fox, not enough to understand what is going on and why it is so important.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Words don't "work", they designate concepts with meaning. Improving national employment does not mean individualism. They are different concepts. They mean different things. Trump's economic nationalism using government power to interfere in the economy, which sometimes help some while hurting others, has no concern for the rights of individuals any more than FDR.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do get your point, however, that leaders of the Catholic church, over the years, have supported some hideous actions - burning at the stake, ripping arms and legs off on a rack, etc.
    That is different from what the religion espouses in its teachings.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Say what?
    That particular people calling themselves Catholic Christians have done something morally reprehensible doesn't mean they all are nor that the religion itself is.
    The faith itself is based on Christ's teachings and there is nothing about "force against women, preying on ignorance and social inertia".

    Whether anyone believes in or follows the teachings of Christ is a different matter. You make a statement about what Catholicism is, as a religion. That is a false statement.
    You might as well state that Objectivists are Thieves! Why? Because once upon a time you knew of one that was.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Catholicism probably went too far even for those days, leading to the reformation. Maybe the same might become true with Islam.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll say what the topic is! But, seriously:
    The Hammond pardon is a really great move.No media publication, even Fox spoke of it, A shame.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well now, EWV that is one of the most appealing things about him. He talks like Uncle Abe after he had imbibed a few.Even though he's a teetotaler.To most folks it is better than Politicians whose every word is vetted, and is as dry as the sands of the Sahara, or who is so slick at lying that you fail to recognize the lie.Reminds me of "All The King's Men" when a reporter tells the hero, "you don't know how to orate." whereupon he replies, "But I know how to win."
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's the same argument as against abortion. If abortion in those days was commonplace, she might never have been born. Or Washington, or Einstein.Or, if the world was illuminated by the aurora what a green world this would be.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    NOW HEAR THIS! All the good guys line up on the right, the rest of you line up on the left. Those undecided proceed to the tent just outside of the door marked Exit.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Catholicism supports force against women, preying on ignorance and social inertia. They will all do what they think they can get away with. Islam just preys on less inhibited more desparate people.
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